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Créé par: jonh514

Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 17 juin 2023

Publié: 17 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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I've been seeing some posts moving 11 OA. I don't know if the pick is on the block, but if the Canucks are open to moving it, what are they looking for in a deal?

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël		3	1 750 000 $

Transactions

MTL

Myers, Tyler
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (VAN)

Détails additionnels:

11 OA
Myers is traded as a cap dump

VAN

Barron, Justin
Davidson, Jared [Liste de réserve]

Détails additionnels:

Canucks get a young top 4 RHD who can play a 2-way game
Canucks get Davidson who was a big part of leading his team to becoming WHL champions
Canucks get 5M+ in cap relief

Rachats de contrats

Karl Alzner: 833 333 $

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	72 686 666 $	1 170 000 $	3 920 000 $	10 813 334 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Caufield, Cole 7 850 000 $7 850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Suzuki, Nick 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ C UFA - 7	Slafkovsky, Juraj 950 000 $950 000 $ (3 500 000 $$4M) AD, AG RFA - 2
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	Dach, Kirby 3 362 500 $3 362 500 $ C, AD RFA - 3	Anderson, Josh 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 4
Hoffman, Mike 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Dvorak, Christian 4 450 000 $4 450 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
Pezzetta, Michael 812 500 $812 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Evans, Jake 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C UFA - 2	Armia, Joel 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Matheson, Michael 4 875 000 $4 875 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3	Guhle, Kaiden 863 333 $863 333 $ (420 000 $$420K) DG/DD RFA - 2	Montembeault, Samuel 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Harris, Jordan 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 2	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Allen, Jake 1 925 000 $1 925 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Xhekaj, Arber 828 333 $828 333 $ DG/DD RFA - 1	Kovacevic, Johnathan 766 667 $766 667 $ DD UFA - 2
Edmundson, Joel 875 000 $875 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Myers, Tyler 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 3

17 juin 2023 à 14 h 48

#26

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Quoting: zackhendo

A little bit of both.

I don't think Barron is worth a first and I don't think they need to get rid of Myers. (Davidson is a 5th round overager, so I give him 0 value).

I haven't watched Barron since the WJC, so if he's now amazing maybe I'm wrong. I think there would have to be insane value for the Canucks to give up the 11th pick without gaining additional draft capital (i.e. move back).

Alright. I am not trying to dump the Habs position on Barron he will play on their top pair this year next to Matheson. Not because he deserves it yet, but because they don't have anyone else.

He is probably the most important Habs prospect as relates to our Blue Line this year and I am offering him up for your 11 OA.

I get that you are sceptical, but he's a good 2way defender with elite skating and he's gonna be a good player in this league for a lot of years.

Anyway, thank you for the conversation, and for not being a "dink" about it

17 juin 2023 à 14 h 51

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Quoting: jonh514

Wait... What garbage? Justin Barron is garbage?

https://www.habsfanatics.com/Justin-Barron-reacts-to-Sidney-Crosby-comments-following-his-trade-156925

Compared to 11 OA, yes. Barron is nice, but this isn't the same tier of value at all.

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17 juin 2023 à 14 h 53

#28

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Quoting: jonh514

That's literally what I offered you. Justin Barron is a young top 4 Defender.

I agree that he will become that, but he isn't there yet. If we are playing the waiting game, I'd rather pick whoever is there at 11oa, who will no doubt have higher upside than Barron. Moving the pick should be for a clear upgrade, and unfortunately this isn't that. The incentive simply isn't there.

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17 juin 2023 à 14 h 55

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Quoting: jonh514

Hoglander is a forward. Barron is a Defenseman. You have to KNOW they take longer, or else you are not paying attention.

That’s not the point… Barton’s value hasn’t shot uo because of a few points in the NHL. I think he will be a good #4-5, but he is not an 11th overall pick level talent

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17 juin 2023 à 14 h 56

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Appreciate your time and attention sir. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

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17 juin 2023 à 15 h 0

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Quoting: Juiceman

That’s not the point… Barton’s value hasn’t shot uo because of a few points in the NHL. I think he will be a good #4-5, but he is not an 11th overall pick level talent

Look at the age comparables

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2024/points/all/defense/all/desc/right?stats-season=2023&limits=age-20-22

17 juin 2023 à 15 h 13

#32

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Quoting: jonh514

Look at the age comparables

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2024/points/all/defense/all/desc/right?stats-season=2023&limits=age-20-22

Sure he has a couple points, but his underlying numbers right now are underwhelming. Stop trying to sell him for the 11th overall. Canuck’s wouldn’t even trade the 11th overall for Filip Hronek who is a significantly better player and was one of the NHL leaders in WAR

17 juin 2023 à 15 h 21

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Not something the Canucks should consider.

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17 juin 2023 à 15 h 21

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Quoting: Juiceman

At this point I'm no longer trying to trade him, I'm trying to make you see that your comments about him were misguided.

There just aren't that many RHD with 2way upside coming into the league each year, and if you want one you have to pay to get them.

Expand that query I sent you to players 25 and younger. It's a short list and Barron is still near the top of it next to some really big names

17 juin 2023 à 17 h 7

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Quoting: zackhendo

This is a wild straw-man argument. Not to mention, they have literally already traded a first round pick in THIS years draft.

You can not like the trade and not be a dink at the same time.

The Value of Hronek compared to Barron is a massive gap.

17 juin 2023 à 17 h 11

#36

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Canucks aren't doing that.

18 juin 2023 à 11 h 52

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I'd trade a 2nd for Barron tops

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