Pens decline, that is such a terrible trade for Pittsburgh lol. You're also not getting Jarry that cheap. He reportedly wants 6x6, someone will give him that given the current goalie UFA market.

Penguins and leafs prolly decline, (Marky would decline too I think) and we decline sabres one. Also why no pelts or duehr in lineup?

The first is going the wrong way buddy

TOR declines

Leafs counter with Nylander for Hanifin, Dube, Pelltier and a second

Markstrom declines.

Flames don't consider the Buffalo trade and would only retain on Toffoli if they can still be fit that under the cap

You see, both sides can be ridiculous!

You consider this trade ridiculous?

Yes

Why? You are loosing out on about 10 points on the wing to add a 40-50 point PMD defender

FIrst, Vladar doesn't add any value; he would be the Leafs' 4rth goalie in line in the system and that's including if Murray gets traded and the Leafs don't draft a goalie. Hanifin, while a nice player, is nowhere near as valuable as Nylander with extension considering he will be a free agent this upcoming season... Toffoli is a 31 year old (just starting to be past his prime) with a career high 73 points in 82 games... all of which were playing 1st line and PP1. In Toronto, he would be on PP2 and the 2nd/3rd line depending on who Toronto adds in FA. To say he's a prime candidate for a step back season if he does go to Toronto is an understatement. In a trade involving any of the core 4 as of right now, the Leafs are/should be asking for; a good, young player; a high end prospect and a guy that will help them win now and that package doesn't satisfy those asks, any one of them

Vladar has value. Maybe you don't see it but he is a fine goalie. I don't see Murray staying in Toronto regardless of whether Toronto would he adding a goalie here or not. Woll looked decent in the playoffs but he's still quite green. Very unlikely to be ready to play more than 25 games a season. Other teams will have interest in him so if Toronto's not then whatever

You definitely undervalue Hanifin. He is a very solid #2 and would easily play the most minutes on Toronto. He's been one of the better defensemen in the league over the last 3 years at 5v5, especially in the last 2 where he's had 1.15 points/60 for 27th in the league.

Nylander would be even more likely to have a drop-off in points if he went to Calgary. He wouldn't have Auston Matthews as his center (and yes he production was significantly higher with Matthews than it was with Tavares).

Why would Toffoli not be on PP1? Would it not be Am34, Marner, Matthews, JT, Reilly, and Toffoli? Like he wpuld literally just step right into that left flank role no?

Thats fine if the trade doesn't answer what you think the team would want but that doesn't mean the value is wrong or bad

That Pens trade might be the worst I've ever seen on this site. Whoof!

It would be Sammy then Woll then Kallgren then Vladar, making him the 4rth string goalie

Hanifin wouldn't get more minutes than Rielly and McCabe... because of Rielly playing PP1 and McCabe playing PK1... 5 on 5 however, they will be similar with Rielly most likely leading the charge in minutes

Nylander wasn't playing with Auston Matthews, he was playing with Tavares... Unless you're saying that Tavares>Lindholm, Nylander would be playing with better players

Toffoli would be behind Rielly, AM34, Tavares, Marner and ROR/Bertuzzi/the big FA signing... making him play on PP2

Value is off as Nylander has more value... especially to teams that need a good value option

You are trolling if you rank Kallgren above Vladar. Vladar is on the same level as same level as Sammy was a year ago. Ill give you a pass on saying Woll is above him simply because he has potential but you clearly have not watched Vladar play much if at all. Also Kallgren is literally a UFA in 15 days so he's not a Leaf anymore unless Toronto signs him.

Hanifin wpuld play on both special teams, that is the point. Reilly might get 30 seconds more in 5v5 ice time at most

Nylander's most common linemates last year in order were Bunting, Matthews, Tavares. He played 508 minutes with Bunting, 505 minutes with Matthews, and 422 minutes with Tavares. His GF% with Matthews was 73.57%, and 43.95% eith Tavares. So most of his 5v5 points came while playing with Matthews, thus a drop in production.

Toffoli really should not be behind any of those guys on the powerplay. None of those guys are under contract with the Leafs either so you are also just assuming they sign.

Why is the value off? You haven't explained why it is

Sammy was a fringe NHL goalie this time last season and was supposed to be the short term backup option for Murray until Woll and Kallgren filled those shoes... Kallgren will be resigned by Toronto. This doesn't provide much value to Toronto, if any.

Hanifin would be PP2 at best and PK2 at best, so he should expect to get most of the minutes 5v5, which RIelly should get slightly more than him and splitting those minutes with McCabe. While valuable (especially at his cap hit); he would need to come with an extension somewhere near 4-6/8 years or he'll be the next Tyson Barrie to Toronto (not as a PPQ but similar total minutes), that's way less than Nylander's current value to the Leafs

Nylander played a lot with Matthews at the start of the season, then Matthews went cold (due to the season long injury that was nagging him), and ended up switching and playing with Tavares about the time when Matthews was out with injury

Treliving, historically, brings in 1/2 big FA signing(s) to bolster the forward/defensive core (Bertuzzi/resigning ROR etc.) So, I do expect him (especially with so much cap space) to sign a bigger named forward and defensemen. On top of that, Toffoli is 31, Nylander is 26... That would mean that the Leafs are getting older and slower... Not younger and faster like the Leafs front office said they wanted to do. Doesn't help that both Nylander and Toffoli are on similar contracts where Nylander is just the better player by far.

That package doesn't entice Toronto vs a team like the Canes/Avs (who are both looking for a guy like Nylander) who will offer more quality offers than Calgary. That makes it a lot easier for Toronto to tell Calgary to up their offer or not acquire Nylander

Example of a deal that beats out this one: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4277382

IDRC if Vladar is involved in a trade here or not, I didn't make the proposal. What's simply wrong is you calling Kallgren better than him. Kallgren is probably a career AHLer journeyman with occasional call-ups in the instance of injuries.

Hanifin would be PP2 which would probably net him about 45 seconds a powerplay (Rielly getting ~1:15). However the PK is completely different. PK1 or PK2 is irrelevant, you get the puck down the ice after being on for 20 seconds and you change. most PKing defensemen go on the ice at least twice during a single 2 minute kill. the first unit to go out is the one that is freshest. Whether that is Hanifin or McCabe going on first is insignificant.

Nylander played with both Matthews and Tavares, fact remains he had drastically higher production while playing with AM34 than he did with JT. Thus it is extremely likely he would have a drop in production playing with Lindholm since Matthews is like the 3rd best center in the league and Lindholm is about the 15th best.

You don't have to explain who Treliving is to me, in fact the correct statement would be he tends to make big splashes as opposed to "brings in 1/2 big FA signing(s)." I would not be at all surprised if Toronto opts to keep O'Reilly. Also does not determine speed Matthew Tkachuk is one of the slowest skaters in the league whereas Evgeny Kuznetsov is one of the fastest. Toffoli's speed is perfectly fine (and while I agree that Nylander is generally a better player, Toffoli was still the more effective player between the 2 this season).

Well obviously you would take that trade, Toews for Nylander is at most a 1 for 1. If that got offered a 1st to gain cap space and get an equally as effective player they would be making out like bandits. Colorado should never make that trade