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Créé par: mynameisliang_

Équipe: 2023-24 Kings de Los Angeles

Date de création initiale: 14 juin 2023

Publié: 14 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Kings sign Dubois' QO with a handshake agreement to extend him Jan 1. Hellebuyck's extension will be cheaper than people think. He's said over and over again that his priority is to go to a contender, not dollars, so I could see him coming in at $8.25M for 5 years.

The cap works with San Jose/whoever retaining salary, but there are still a bunch of RFAs to sign. May need to find a taker for Iafallo, which should return like a 3rd or something, but then you'll have a bunch of space at the deadline to add finishing wingers. You're stacked down the middle, with Scheifele able to fill in if someone gets hurt. You're adding like a net 80 goals to your roster with these moves for next year, and the cap situation gets way better for you in 2024.

Copley is a cap dump, but if you can get a return for Arvidsson then feel free to trade him elsewhere.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Dubois, Pierre-Luc	1	6 000 000 $
Stanley, Logan	2	900 000 $
Vilardi, Gabriel	2	2 750 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Nedeljkovic, Alex		1	900 000 $

Transactions

LAK

Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
Hellebuyck, Connor (3 083 333 $ retained)
Scheifele, Mark (3 062 500 $ retained)
Stanley, Logan [Droits de RFA]

WPG

Détails additionnels:

Arvidsson and Copley have to be included to make the cap work.

LAK

Future Considerations

SJS

Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (LAK)

Détails additionnels:

San Jose eats 50% of Scheifele and Hellebuyck, freeing up another $3M of cap space this year.

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Ivan Provorov: 2 025 000 $ (30%)

Frais de résiliation

Mike Richards: 700 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
20	83 500 000 $	86 215 001 $	0 $	212 500 $	-2 715 001 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kempe, Adrian 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Kopitar, Anze 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Fiala, Kevin 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 6
Moore, Trevor 4 200 000 $4 200 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 5	Dubois, Pierre-Luc 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C UFA - 8	Scheifele, Mark 3 062 500 $3 062 500 $ C NMC UFA - 1
Iafallo, Alex 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Danault, Phillip 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 4	Vilardi, Gabriel 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AD, C RFA - 2
Grundström, Carl 1 300 000 $1 300 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	Lizotte, Blake 1 675 000 $1 675 000 $ C RFA - 1	Kaliyev, Arthur 894 167 $894 167 $ (212 500 $$212K) AD, AG RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Gavrikov, Vladislav 5 875 000 $5 875 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 2	Doughty, Drew 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 4	Hellebuyck, Connor 3 083 334 $3 083 334 $ G NMC UFA - 1
Anderson, Michael 4 125 000 $4 125 000 $ DG UFA - 8	Roy, Matt 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Nedeljkovic, Alex 900 000 $900 000 $ G UFA - 1
Stanley, Logan 900 000 $900 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Durzi, Sean 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 1

14 juin 2023 à 11 h 45

Easton_H

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Yeah Winnipeg doesn’t accept that

14 juin 2023 à 11 h 47

Benzino204

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Although Byfield, and Clarke are great pieces, Winnipeg doesn't do that.

They can get more from individual trades of Helle, Scheif, and PLD without retention.

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14 juin 2023 à 11 h 48

tsyls

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Quoting: Easton_H

Yeah Winnipeg doesn’t accept that

I think the idea of packaging 1 of PLD/Scheif with helly is smart. As you’ll get a haul back, but can’t do all 3 in one deal.

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14 juin 2023 à 11 h 49

PuckLuck_77

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Quoting: Easton_H

Yeah Winnipeg doesn’t accept that

Lol good, neither do the Kings. We don't want Winnipeg's problems. Helly and Stanley are the only pieces I'm interested in here. PLD and Scheif can stay away from LA.

And we're not trading Byfield or Clarke. Especially not for 1 year of PLD and Scheifele. And the Kings can't afford an 8.5mil goalie next year.

There was a really bad Jets-Kings trade last night that might have been the worst I've seen. This one gives it a run for it's money.

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14 juin 2023 à 11 h 54

WPGSK

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As a WPG born WPG JETS fan for life, I accept on behalf of anyone else who doesn't see the HUGE upside win in this for WPG.

Clarke for Helly is good for both, but better for WPG. A goalie who wants to be in the US for a young, big, CDN born, #1 Pairing D. WPG wins this.

Byfield is a younger version of PLD. Not quite as good, but again, he's a young, big, CDN born kid who is at WORST a 3rd line Center, who could mature into a 2nd line Center. WPG wins this one as well.

Then the Jets get a versatile winger and a backup goalie they can use or put in the AHL to help the Moose kids.

Not sure how any WPG JET fan wouldn't accept this.

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14 juin 2023 à 11 h 54

WPGSK

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Quoting: PuckLuck_77

See WPG JETS fans... this is what I'm talking about (see my post above this). This trade is a huge win for WPG. No clue why Jets fans don't want this. Baffling.

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14 juin 2023 à 12 h 1

Enrique

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Kings are not trading Clarke or Byfield for any player on the Jets. If you want all the Kings players instead of Jets players just come join the Kings fanbase!

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14 juin 2023 à 12 h 2

mynameisliang_

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Quoting: PuckLuck_77

Sounds like both sides think they are giving up too much - which kind of makes me think it's more fair than people think.

The Kings would instantly be cup contenders after this trade. You're subtracting Byfield, Arvidsson and probably iafallo from your roster, but adding Scheifele and PLD and whoever replaces iafallo - that is adding like 0.75 goals per game to your lineup, without factoring in Dubois' defensive impact. Then, you're also adding Connor Hellebuyck who will save you like .3 goals per game vs your goalies last year. How many more games would the kings have won with an extra 1.05 goals per game?

14 juin 2023 à 12 h 3

AStovetop

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Hard to say if Sharks do this. They would only have one retention slot remaining for the season.

14 juin 2023 à 12 h 6

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tsyls

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Quoting: WPGSK

See WPG JETS fans... this is what I'm talking about (see my post above this). This trade is a huge win for WPG. No clue why Jets fans don't want this. Baffling.

Value is great for Winnipeg. Just wonder if you can get more by trading all 3 in separate deals. Especially if you pair assets, like adding a dman to Dubois/scheif. I do like the idea of packaging 1 of pld/scheif with helly though.

14 juin 2023 à 12 h 7

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Brian_O_Blivion

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Sharks retention slots are HIGHLY valuable this next few years. It will take more than a 2nd to take one. Add a B prospect and you have a deal, add not and you can forget it. I would accept Kaliyev.

14 juin 2023 à 12 h 10

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WPGSK

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Quoting: tsyls

They probably could, but even then, the Jets wouldn't get anyone like Clarke in a 1 for 1 for any Jet.

14 juin 2023 à 12 h 10

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PuckLuck_77

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Quoting: mynameisliang_

Regardless of value/fairness, "the Kings would instantly be cup contenders after this trade" might be true (the lineup ON PAPER looks very good) but it completely disregards the fact that it falls apart after a single year when PLD and Scheifele leave in UFA or demand a trade because we can't come close to affording raises for all 3 of them. So we're trading 10-15 years EACH of Byfield and Clarke for a single year of contention.

Again. No thanks. This is terrible for LA after a single year. We're building for extended contention, not a 1-year all in deal.

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14 juin 2023 à 12 h 14

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tsyls

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Quoting: WPGSK

They probably could, but even then, the Jets wouldn't get anyone like Clarke in a 1 for 1 for any Jet.

Don’t disagree. Just not Chevy’s MO to trade 3 pieces like that in one deal. Think he’d rather get less value, but more quantity. Which is an idiotic way to think. But that’s Chevy for ya!

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14 juin 2023 à 12 h 20

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WPGSK

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Quoting: tsyls

Don’t disagree. Just not Chevy’s MO to trade 3 pieces like that in one deal. Think he’d rather get less value, but more quantity. Which is an idiotic way to think. But that’s Chevy for ya!

You mean... "CHEVYTAKESTOOMANYDAYSOFF". Ya... the worst GM in the business. The man with no plan or even worse... he has a plan and it's all about plugging holes to save his job.

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14 juin 2023 à 12 h 30

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SJS2212

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SJ passes. Not blowing the last 2 retention slots on two players for a division foe (especially when one of those is needed for a Karlsson deal).

14 juin 2023 à 12 h 32

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tsyls

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Quoting: WPGSK

You mean... "CHEVYTAKESTOOMANYDAYSOFF". Ya... the worst GM in the business. The man with no plan or even worse... he has a plan and it's all about plugging holes to save his job.

He’s going to hurt the franchise a ton this off-season. This unwavering commitment to competing next year is going to crush the franchise. He’s going to turn the 3 big assets, into younger roster players and it’s just going to delay the inevitable rebuild.

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14 juin 2023 à 12 h 32

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MoSeider53

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Zero chance in hell of all of Pierre-Luc Dubois, Connor Hellebuyck and Mark Scheifele all going to LA. First off you can't even afford all 3 PLD is going to want 8x9.5M to sign in high taxed California same could be said with Connor Hellebuyck. Byfield and Clarke are highly overrated here and only the two best pieces Arvidsson and Copley are just throw ins. Hellebuyck and Scheifele likely go east somewhere as both players want to play closer to their respective homes.

14 juin 2023 à 16 h 33

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KINGS67

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Quoting: mynameisliang_

Quoting: PuckLuck_77

Like puck luck said. Kings aren’t going to give up 10-15 each of Byfield and Clarke for the 1 year of both PLD and 1 Sheifele. Even if PLD was extended this deal is still really bad.

17 juin 2023 à 15 h 32

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mynameisliang_

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Quoting: KINGS67

Like puck luck said. Kings aren’t going to give up 10-15 each of Byfield and Clarke for the 1 year of both PLD and 1 Sheifele. Even if PLD was extended this deal is still really bad.

PLD - extension is part of this, Hellebuyck has said he will take less to go to a winner. I fully expect Hellebuyck's salary to surprise some people. I would think he comes in around $8m, then you can sign a backup to league min and your total spend at goal is less than it was in 2022-23. Scheifele has to be viewed by LA as a pure rental. After a deep playoff run you can flip his negotiating rights for a 3rd rounder or something like NJ just did with Severson. Adding PLD and Hellebuyck to the kings long-term makes them a cup contender for probably the next three seasons before Kopitar, Doughty and Hellebuyck begin to decline, at which point the cap will have gone up, and the contracts of everyone involved are no longer as big of a concern.

17 juin 2023 à 15 h 34

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KINGS67

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Quoting: mynameisliang_

Honestly I’d rather just get Hellebuyck and look elsewhere for a C if that’s what the kings are looking for. Maybe Aho would join the kings.

Idk how I feel about PLD. If he was an established 1C I’d like it a bit better

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