Talking myself into Hayes

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Créé par: macca2119

Équipe: 2023-24 Avalanche du Colorado

Date de création initiale: 7 juin 2023

Publié: 8 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I am adamantly against trading for Hayes...so as a thought exercise, how would I do it if forced.

I looked at Manson (yes I know he has a NTC) and thought... would Torts ever love a big, rugged D-man like Manson (prob way more than Girard). Or, this could be a 3-teamer with Manson landing up somewhere else. Ultimately I am trading big and slower D for big and slower C.

I also want to add a lot of skating and toughness to the bottom 6. Acciari / Hathaway / Reese can all skate and PK. (would trade out Reese if Cogs wants to come back)

I like a $3-$4M D man as the 5th D-man. Lots of choices (Graves, Mayfield, etc) but I went with Soucy.

Time to put Newhook and Meyers at C and find out if they are fixtures or not.

And Hawks fans...the draft equity is equal and don't forget, you are not done tanking. You will be amazed at how McDermid will help with both sticking up for the kids and tanking your D-core.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Annunen, Justus	1	925 000 $
Byram, Bowen	3	4 250 000 $
Malgin, Denis	1	850 000 $
Merkley, Ryan	1	850 000 $
Meyers, Ben	1	950 000 $
Newhook, Alex	2	2 250 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Hathaway, Garnet	4	2 000 000 $
Acciari, Noel	3	2 500 000 $
Drouin, Jonathan	2	1 500 000 $
Johnson, Erik	1	1 000 000 $
Soucy, Carson	4	4 250 000 $
Stecher, Troy	1	1 000 000 $
Aston-Reese, Zach	1	1 250 000 $

Transactions

COL

Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (TBL)
Choix de 7e ronde en 2023 (CHI)

CHI

MacDermid, Kurtis
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (COL)

COL

Hayes, Kevin (2 142 857 $ retained)

PHI

Manson, Josh
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (COL)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	84 000 000 $	80 041 072 $	637 500 $	0 $	3 958 928 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Drouin, Jonathan 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	MacKinnon, Nathan 12 600 000 $12 600 000 $ C NMC UFA - 8	Rantanen, Mikko 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AD, C M-NTC UFA - 2
Lehkonen, Artturi 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD NTC UFA - 4	Hayes, Kevin 1 428 572 $1 428 572 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Nichushkin, Valeri 6 125 000 $6 125 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 7
Hathaway, Garnet 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Newhook, Alex 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ C, AG RFA - 4	Acciari, Noel 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3
Aston-Reese, Zach 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Meyers, Ben 950 000 $950 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	O'Connor, Logan 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Toews, Devon 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Makar, Cale 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Georgiev, Alexandar 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G UFA - 2
Byram, Bowen 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 2	Girard, Samuel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Francouz, Pavel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Soucy, Carson 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Johnson, Erik 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Stecher, Troy 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1		Landeskog, Gabriel 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 6

8 juin 2023 à 9 h 44

Madrigal

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Flyers accept

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8 juin 2023 à 9 h 49

wojohawk

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Hawks accept

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8 juin 2023 à 9 h 55

TheBigFlyera

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Quoting: Madrigal

Flyers accept

We don’t need Manson for 3 more years. If you add in $4.5M and we retain $2M that’s $6.5M instead of Hayes’ $7.15M why would we do this lol

8 juin 2023 à 10 h 43

Hawksguy81

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Hawks would make that trade if they haven't already used one or both of those picks to move up from #19 in the 1st round.

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8 juin 2023 à 10 h 46

macca2119

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Quoting: Hawksguy81

Hawks would make that trade if they haven't already used one or both of those picks to move up from #19 in the 1st round.

see fair trades can happen on AGM

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8 juin 2023 à 10 h 47

macca2119

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Quoting: TheBigFlyera

We don’t need Manson for 3 more years. If you add in $4.5M and we retain $2M that’s $6.5M instead of Hayes’ $7.15M why would we do this lol

Flyers fans seem to want to move on from Hayes and move him to the Avs. I don't want to make this trade, but was trying to come up with a way to make it work. I would suspect in a trade like this, they would be able to flip Manson pretty easily to a D-hungy team.

8 juin 2023 à 10 h 53

TheBigFlyera

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Quoting: macca2119

If they are able to flip Manson easily why wouldn’t the Avs do that in a separate deal? Doesn’t make sense to me why the Flyers have to flip the player when the Avs can just do so

8 juin 2023 à 10 h 58

wojohawk

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Quoting: Hawksguy81

Hawks would make that trade if they haven't already used one or both of those picks to move up from #19 in the 1st round.

Agree, but there are plenty of trade chips on the board to do both. Still left with 2 2nds and 2 3rds both this and next year. I think if the Hawks want/need additional 2nds this or next draft, they probably have frameworks of deals on the table for dumps...Bailey, Mantha, Murray, etc.

I'll be disappointed (I know real world problems I have) if we do not grab an additional first round pick in the 20's (NYR, COL, VGK, BOS (via TOR) and upgrade the #19

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8 juin 2023 à 11 h 5

Hawksguy81

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Quoting: wojohawk

I'd like to see KD use #19 and 3 of the 4 2nd's to get #11 and #14. I still think that's a real possibility. I wouldn't trade either of the '24 2nd's unless we have a 3rd one in our poccesion already at the draft. Bird in the hand... I'm not that confident in any of the 3 trades you referenced.

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8 juin 2023 à 11 h 19

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wojohawk

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Quoting: Hawksguy81

If one of the '24 2nds gets us into the 1st this year....I am all in....as a wise man said "bird in hand". I would be hesitant to use our own as it will likely be one of the first in the round and a defacto late 1st (but if value in a trade is appropriate....even that is on the table for me).
Bailey with a 2nd to the Hawks is a match made in heaven and there simply are not THAT many teams that can take 5 million in cap.

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8 juin 2023 à 15 h 38

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macca2119

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Quoting: TheBigFlyera

If they are able to flip Manson easily why wouldn’t the Avs do that in a separate deal? Doesn’t make sense to me why the Flyers have to flip the player when the Avs can just do so

I hear you. My reasoning would be that I would see Philly flipping for futures and Avs are definitely not moving player for futures, which is why I wouldn't the Avs trading Manso without a 2C coming back.

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8 juin 2023 à 15 h 40

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macca2119

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Quoting: wojohawk

I've thought about a Chi / Col trade for weeks. Even if that Avs don't flip the two 2nd's, they need ALL the chips they can get. If Colorado is not using the 1st for a player, this type of trade makes a TON of sense.

8 juin 2023 à 15 h 42

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MrLaheySays

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As an Avs fan this is terrible. especially considering where the OA picks stand. Sakic would tell McF to hang up the phone.

8 juin 2023 à 20 h 19

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macca2119

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Quoting: MrLaheySays

As an Avs fan this is terrible. especially considering where the OA picks stand. Sakic would tell McF to hang up the phone.

It was an exercise. As I stated, I don't particularly want Hayes, but if the 2C carousel stops and the Avs find themselves without on, Hayes becomes an option.

8 juin 2023 à 23 h 44

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Madrigal

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Quoting: TheBigFlyera

We don’t need Manson for 3 more years. If you add in $4.5M and we retain $2M that’s $6.5M instead of Hayes’ $7.15M why would we do this lol

I thought Manson was a pending UFA. my bad.

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9 juin 2023 à 11 h 11

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macca2119

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Quoting: Madrigal

I thought Manson was a pending UFA. my bad.

3 more years! Fingers crossed 3 more healthy years.

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