Hart was decent this season, top 5 in GSAx for a fair chunk of the year.
He's also been apart of a really cruddy Flyers team, which certainly does not help his case; the good team buff exists. I don't doubt that he'd find himself back in the top 10 of goalies if he played on a stable team.

Or did he take a step back that really wasn't, because he had a god awful team in front of him.

FN Habs fans wonder why everyone thinks their fanbase are the biggest clowns. You'd have to give up that future late 2nd to have someone take back Allen's junk contract. So you are essentially giving up 37 for Hart which is laughable. Ive seen a lot 9f ****es trying to get Hart for pennies on the dollar but this might take the cake. Congrats.

If that analysis holds... Wouldn't the same be true of Monty? Do the Habs really need a better Goalie, or is Monty a really good goalie on a better team?

Alright sir. As I mentioned in my description and several places in comments already, this is what I would pay for him today. It's not that far from where he himself was drafted and I don't see anything really special in him. He's an upgrade on Monty but really not that much of one.

Totally agree these absurd Carter hart trade suggestions, particularly to SJ sending their 4th overall+ for a guy who has proven nothing is absurd.

Think it depends.
He had a great year this year, but a horrible one like last.
Would like to see maybe one more year of a decent performance.
I still think I'd give the edge to Carter Hart since he's 2 years younger than Monty.

Maybe he did. The Habs can't offer much better. We finished below the Flyers!

Fair. Hart had an awful 2021-22 as well!

Look at Hill for example. He was awful on a defensively bad Sharks team minus a couple good starts. Put him on a defensively responsible team and all the sudden he is a Conn Smythe candidate.

That's fair, I'm just stating that will not get us Hart. EDM, TOR, OTT, or LA would likely be more than willing to beat that offer as you have it.

Look at Nedelkovjic =(.

As a goalie who played sort of high level youth hockey; I played better when my team was better. May be ironed out in the higher levels of hockey, but I doubt it. Everyone plays better when their team is better -- like a well oiled machine.

He also came into the league when he was 20 (and played a majority of games) which is extremely uncommon for goalies.

I will not cry if we miss out on Hart. There will be another Hart to take a swing at every year. There are only 64 positions available and a lot more hours than that.

Y'all are closer on the rebuild.

Which speaks to my point that paying massive sums for a hyped up goalie is irrelevant if the team in front of him is average. Get an average goalie, pay a ton less for him and when your team improves the goalie improves with them.

Martin Jones is not a great goalie, never was. When SJ was good, he brought us to the finals. When SJ started to suck, Jones really sucked. So why pay a kings ransom for Hart who by the way hasnt done anything ‘elite’ in this league.

Agreed. Think there's maybe 3 goalies that are resilient despite a cruddy team; Saros, Sorokin, and Hellebuyck. Could assume Vasilevskiy, but we don't have any samples.
There's also Giguere's insane run too.

Whoever pays Ullmark is going to be real disappointed.

I get that. His career wins at the end of his career will be impressively high as a result. But I don't feel he is stealing games like Price used to.

I really don't think the NHL wants the game to be about the Goalie anyway. They are pushing for scoring and skill. They want more Michigan goals and they keep changing the rules to ensure that they get them.

I'm not gonna overpay for the player he might one day be. I will overpay for the player he currently is.

Fair enough but as someone else said that offer gets beat, and you're good with that I get.

I mean, Price was an elite top-3 goalie in the league. Only goalie on the trade block that I can see as somewhat comparable is Saros and Maybe Hellebuyck (Not too big on him though) and they're both gonna cost a pretty penny.

Agreed! I would pay 2 x 2nds and Allen because I believe Monty/Hart tandem wins more than Monty/Allen, but I am looking at him as a tandem starter, not a superstar.

For sure!

I agree with you. Saros is special! Hart... Maybe sorta one day...

Agreed. It's really either you draft a great goalie, or you deal with having a mediocre goalie.
Last time I can recall a top goalie being on the market was Bobrovsky.