Yamo is top choice to get bought out, no reason to give up anything for this guy, we shouldn't even sign him for free if he got bought out

Also pass on all signings but gudas

Would even give a 3rd for Yamamoto.
We'll keep our bust with phenomenal underlying numbers + a 2nd and they can keep Yamamoto.

I like Suter, but i realize we are stuffed at depth. Would hate to see him go, but think it's necessary to make headroom for our younger guys. Wouldn't give Gudas 5M either.

Yam also has good underlying numbers, but needs to put on some muscle.

Suter is a good player, and I wouldn't let him walk because we have very little depth at C.

Gudas was given $5M to entice him to step away from a good team in a warm climate.

Yamamoto vs Zadina
Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

This is mine. My posts are generally intended for discussion purposes, not to argue about how much better my players are lol. I generally take feedback through the discussion then update the trade or post a different one. I like to think I'm less ignorant than many of the other DET fans on here.

You just proved a completely different point lol, but i guess Zadina's numbers are lower than thought.

This is what we call a pick me nowadays; pitiful tbh.

Call me what you want, and like me if you want lol. I'm just telling why I post.

My post was more in response to the comment then your trade proposal. But the concern I have with most Yamamoto trades is the defensive #'s, Yamamoto vs Zadina.

I have a hard time not adding in here that the oilers scored like 100 more goals than the red wings this year. Their players’ p/60 should obviously be better then. Yamo is also a year older than Zadina. What I will say is I like a lot of his abilities in the offensive zone, forechecking etc. I just also think as an undersized guy he’s not necessarily bringing more to the table than Zadina would be for us. Doesn’t have enough skill to shine and has a harder time getting to the scoring areas (at least in playoffs) due to his size. At the least I wouldn’t be adding a second to the trade, but I’m not a fan of trading Zadina altogether

I don't understand what you mean by proving a different point?

Z's defensive measures aren't terrible if you consider the team. Not far off from Yam, actually.

DET had 15.4% GA over this same date range vs EDM (7.3% more in just the 22-23 season). Z's CA/60 was 9.6% worse than Yam's over that range. If you limit to only this past season (because 21-22 in DET was a defensive wreck), Z's CA/60 is 7.5% better than Yam's.

Considering xGA/60, they're nearly identical. Also consider that Z had slightly more defensive zone starts/60 so I would argue that his coach relied on him more defensively than Yam's did.

But, Yamamoto played in the top 6 against better competition.

I find it hilariously, ironic that you brag about your hockey knowledge whilst proposing we trade valuable assets for a guy that is about to be bought out.

Right, so the Oilers should be concerned about defensive play when they allowed only 19 less goals against than Detroit. Yamamoto vs Zadina Defense

Hey, self professed judge of hockey knowledge. Why is Yamamoto potentially being bought out?

I don't know, maybe because he sucks? Ask your GM. Also, never claimed to be hockey knowledgeable; just making fun of someone who did.

Where did I brag about my hockey knowledge? I said the opposite lol. I said I make posts to create discussion. That post was made to create discussion.

Umm right here chief. Just stop while you're behind.

You say that but still feel you can pass judgement on others? Being unknowledgeable means that you can not then judge knowledge, by definition

Wow this is sad. Dude just stop. You're not even making sense.

Great come back. Really smart. You showed me

You know what's hilarious and ironic here? You think claiming less ignorance means the same thing as being knowledgeable, but you've admitted to being ignorant yourself, and have responded to everything ignorantly. Too funny!

I'm not gonna stop. You brought this on yourself

Anywayyyy, do you think a Zadina for Yamamoto trade is remotely possible? I don't really want to get rid of Zadina, but seeing that they won't give him more minutes than bottom 6, I just think a change of scenery would heavily benefit him. And, honestly, I only targeted Yams because of the buyout rumors (which I think would be silly of EDM to do, but I'll play with the rumor while it lasts).

It's so hard to say. I don't think Edmonton would use Zadina in the top 6 either and he may be to expensive in their bottom 6. A lot will depend on how badly the Oilers need cap space when Bouchard, McLeod, and Kostin agree to contracts.
The possibility of Yamamoto only costing $1,950,000 if sent to the AHL is a consideration too. Would a team take him off waivers, or does his trade value go up if he can be sent down? I think that's what Holland should do first if they don't need more than the $1,150,000 savings on KY
I do believe the Oilers could find a better UFA for cheaper than Zadina's cap hit though, and if that player costs less than $1,391,666 (Zadina - Yams buyout) a trade wouldn't be worth it.