Wouldn't give up a 7th for Miller, much less Morrow. Miller's contract is bottom 10 in the league

please not this again.

cant we all just leave miller and marner off carolina trades or carolina ACGMs?

Going to disregard the bottom 10 comment, but I am curious about Morrow as a player.
While I haven’t read a whole lot on him, I haven’t seen anything negative about him and he seems like a helluva prospect. Just how good is he/is he going to be? Also, is he signing in Carolina? Could another Adam Fox situation be happening? Doesn’t he have to sign this summer, or does he have one more year?

Hehe nooo

Canucks take that and run. Doesn't matter though cause Carolina isn't offering it.

ppg centermen make how much in your mind

Millers contract is not bottom 10

OEL
Gallagher
Nurse
Horvat
Huberdeau
Anderson
Seguin
Jones
Trouba
Rielly
Kadri
Vlasic
Campbell
Merzlikins
Chiarot
Gudbranson
Ristolainen

All are worse off the top of my head

Points are relatively useless without a significant amount of context, especially when evaluating a player that is a complete liability defensively, likely getting far more minutes than he would on a different team, and is relying on rather high oiS% and PP time that he might not get (at 5v5 he scored at a worse rate than Kotkaniemi lol) that will not last in CAR (not to mention he's well past the average prime of a forward, and the contract goes until he's THIRTY SEVEN)

He's very good, I (and a lot of other ppl, far smarter than me) had him as a top 15-20 player in his draft class, and he's been extremely good at UMass since then. I haven't heard anything about him not wanting to sign in CAR, and he would have to play another 2 years in the NCAA before becoming a free agent.

Probably in the near future, the top 4 D Carolina will look like this:

Slavin - Morrow
Nikishin - Pesce

OEL is 3 yrs shorter, but he is a much worse player, I could see that going wither way.
Gally is actually decent at hockey (and with his play style is very likely to be LTIRed)
Nurse is very bad
Horvat is a better player and younger
Huberdeau is a legit first line winger coming off a down year that was at worst comparable to JT Miller's best year, the only argument for that being a bad contract is if you REALLY undervalue wingers
(Josh?) Anderson is v bad, but much shorter and cheaper
Seguin's isn't great, but he's a much better player, and the deal is much shorter
Jones is probably the worst contract in the league
Trouba's is bad but only 3 yrs
Mo's will likely end up being very bad, but he's at least worth the $ rn, Miller wasn't worth the $ the day the contract was signed
Kadri's is very comparably bad
Vlasic's only has 3 yrs left (somehow, that is probably one of the worst contracts of all time, but atp it's not as bad as it was)
Campbell and Merz's are bad, but shorter and cheaper, and goalies are so voodoo they might bounce back
Chiarot Guddy and Risto are horrible, but their deals are only 3 yrs

Nikishin prolly won't work too well with Pesce, I mean absolutely nothing would happen while that pair is on the ice, but I think they'd prefer a more dynamic player to pair with him (like say a Dom Fensore)... tho that's a very good issue to have

nothing was happening with our 2nd pair until skjei started to score this season. we would be fine. Fensmore has a very small chance of making the nhl with his size.

Gally is not decent at hockey anymore. He was but is terrible now
Miller is much better than Horvat
How is Huberdeau’s 55 points in 79 games comparable at all to Miller’s 99 points last year, 82 points this year, or 72 his first year in Vancouver? Huberdeau also sucks defensively. That is absurd
How is Seguin much better when he hasn’t had 80 points in 4 years? Neither are very good defensively
Rielly is a defensive liability whose offensive production dropped this year. Not worth his money
And how is Miller not worth 8M currently? What do you expect a PPG C to sign for?

Points are irrelevant (esp for d men) without significant context. I wouldn't give Miller more than ~5 mil for like 3 yrs. He's a complete liability defensively (worse than Mo prolly) and relies on an above average (and extraordinarily high in his 99 point season) oiS% and PP time for points. At 5v5 he scores at a worse rate than Kotkaniemi, while being significantly worse defensively

Rielly is one of the worst dmen in the league in his own zone. Yet you say he’s worth his money. Horvat, Huberdeau, and Seguin are all bad defensively, especially Huberdeau and Horvat. Yet they make more than Miller for longer

Miller vs KK primary 5v5 points per 60 last 4 seasons
2022/23 Miller: 1.36 KK: 0.99
2021/22 Miller: 1.61 KK: 1.44
2020/21 Miller: 1.41 KK: 1.12
2019/20 Miller: 1.92 KK: 0.75

KK’s 5v5 scoring is boosted by secondary assists

He was worth the money last yr, I could easily see him falling off going forward (I also don't think he's THAT bad defensively). Horvat is not bad defensively iirc, certainly not nearly as bad as Miller (I never thought I'd be defending him tho, that's certainly a bad contract too). Ik Huberdeau was bad this past yr, but iirc he was fine defensively before this yr, and I will say I don't know enough about Seguin, but I don't think he would have fallen off that hard.

Fair point on KK, I didn't look that much into it.

Horvat is bad defensively. Similar to Miller

everyone sucked on the canucks before tocchet 5v5, the team was awful not just him. great on the PK and him and Petey torched team for SHP. he gets much more than 8 on the open market and got less than Horvat who was worse on the same team. he turns 37 after the deadline of his final year so it will be his 36 year old season, with a cap likely 10-15 mil higher than it is right now. when t cap rises in just a few years a player of miller caliber will be above 10mil based on cap%. sure he wont be a ppg player then but he has the skillset to be effective as he ages as his game is already not reliant on his footspeed (which is what you lose with age, not hockey IQ)