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Créé par: Stevierebz

Équipe: 2023-24 Red Wings de Detroit

Date de création initiale: 19 avr. 2023

Publié: 19 avr. 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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What would the likes of Anderson and Lindholm cost realistically?
I think Hronek is a good comp for Anderson, let me know if I’m mistaken. (Mid round 1st and second for Hronek and a 4th)
Horvat is prob a good one for Lindholm. (Horvat 25% retained for top12 protected 1st, b level prospect, middle 6 roster player.

I made them two separate trades to better show the value but basically: 1st and Al for Andersson (IMO Johansson is better than a 2nd but if you’d rather a 2nd, I’d gladly oblige. Andersson has an extra year on his contract vs Hronek so that’s where the additional value plays in). A 1st, Zadina (comparable to Raty), and Fabbri (comp to Beauvillier but oft inj) for Lindholm. I’d be fine with Boston 1st instead of Det or Veleno, Elmer, or another prospect to replace one of the players.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Veleno, Joseph		3	1 750 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Suter, Pius	3	2 000 000 $
Schenn, Luke	2	1 300 000 $
Bertuzzi, Tyler	4	6 000 000 $
Andersen, Frederik	1	4 000 000 $

Transactions

DET

Andersson, Rasmus

CGY

Johansson, Albert
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)

DET

Lindholm, Elias

CGY

Fabbri, Robby
Zadina, Filip
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (DET)

Détails additionnels:

Top 12 protected

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Jakub Vrána: 2 625 000 $ (50%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	84 000 000 $	73 375 555 $	0 $	5 315 000 $	10 624 445 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Bertuzzi, Tyler 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Larkin, Dylan 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NTC UFA - 8	Raymond, Lucas 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) AD, AG RFA - 1
Rasmussen, Michael 1 460 000 $1 460 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Lindholm, Elias 4 850 000 $4 850 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Perron, David 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1
Berggren, Jonatan 925 000 $925 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 1	Kasper, Marco 918 333 $918 333 $ (1 000 000 $$1M) C RFA - 3	Copp, Andrew 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ C, AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 4
Suter, Pius 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Veleno, Joseph 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ C RFA - 1	Kubalik, Dominik 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Söderblom, Elmer 878 333 $878 333 $ (57 500 $$58K) AG, C RFA - 2		Mazur, Carter 905 833 $905 833 $ (57 500 $$58K) AG RFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Walman, Jake 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3	Seider, Moritz 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 1	Husso, Ville 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Määttä, Olli 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Andersson, Rasmus 4 550 000 $4 550 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Andersen, Frederik 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
Edvinsson, Simon 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) DG RFA - 3	Schenn, Luke 1 300 000 $1 300 000 $ DD UFA - 3
Chiarot, Ben 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 3

19 avr. 2023 à 21 h 36

Jfstompers

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Fabbri and Zadina have zero value so if Lindholm is really a target your going to have to add something different there. Can't imagine they move Anderson unless it's a crazy overpay and that's not it.

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19 avr. 2023 à 21 h 36

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Flames don't consider either of those lol

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19 avr. 2023 à 21 h 41

Dont_Fire_Brad_Trelving

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flames reject both

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19 avr. 2023 à 21 h 51

Stevierebz

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Quoting: Dont_Fire_Brad_Trelving

flames reject both

Not even close? I was looking for input here?

19 avr. 2023 à 21 h 51

Stevierebz

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Flames don't consider either of those lol

What would do it?

19 avr. 2023 à 21 h 52

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: Stevierebz

What would do it?

Marco Kasper has to be on the table for any conversation to start for either player

19 avr. 2023 à 21 h 55

KingofRnR

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Modifié 19 avr. 2023 à 22 h 39

Those are way way off. Purely based on their Defensive and Two Way Play:

Lindholm > Horvat
Andersson > Hronek

Lindholm’s comparable is Jack Eichel post neck surgery and Andersson is untouchable, so it’d have to be the equivalent of FOUR 1st Round Picks = something no GM in their right minds would do. That’ll only change in 2 years from now if extending Andersson doesn’t look possible or feasible

Seriously, we don’t want to move either player and the interest and demand for both guys is extremely high

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19 avr. 2023 à 21 h 59

Stevierebz

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Marco Kasper has to be on the table for any conversation to start for either player

Well if that’s the “realistic” cost then I guess we wait till Lindholm walks as a UFA in a year and look elsewhere for a RD

19 avr. 2023 à 22 h 8

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: Stevierebz

Well if that’s the “realistic” cost then I guess we wait till Lindholm walks as a UFA in a year and look elsewhere for a RD

Best of luck. Odds are he's not walking

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19 avr. 2023 à 22 h 49

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Best of luck. Odds are he's not walking

You think there’s a realistic chance he re-ups this summer?

19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 1

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: Batnidd85

You think there’s a realistic chance he re-ups this summer?

Absolutely. Why would I think otherwise?

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19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 33

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Marco Kasper has to be on the table for any conversation to start for either player

Both of those players are starting pieces for Kasper lol

19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 41

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Both of those players are starting pieces for Kasper lol

False. You don't definitely don't get a #1 defenseman under 5M with term for an unproven prospect. Kasper has potential but thats all he has right now. He had a solid showing in the SHL this year but nothing spectacular. Look what you just got for Hronek, Andersson is a hell of a lot better than Hronek

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19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 43

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Absolutely. Why would I think otherwise?

I’d love to see it - but his year end presser left some questions on that front for sure…same with 11

19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 45

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Nothing spectacular?
You're trying to piss me off by just lying to me now.

19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 46

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Nothing spectacular?
You're trying to piss me off by just lying to me now.

Also yeesh, 1D huh. Lol.

19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 48

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KingofRnR

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Nothing spectacular?
You're trying to piss me off by just lying to me now.

Looks like he played well when it mattered the most but 8 Goals and 23 Points in 52GP isn’t what most people would consider ”spectacular“

19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 49

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Quoting: Batnidd85

I’d love to see it - but his year end presser left some questions on that front for sure…same with 11

Did you listen to the whole thing or just read the first quoted part? He said later in the presser that its not July 1st yet and they haven't even talked about an extension yet

19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 52

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JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: KingofRnR

Looks like he played well when it mattered the most but 8 Goals and 23 Points in 52GP isn’t what most people would consider ”spectacular“

You're calling a square a circle right now.
Please leave your stat analysis out of the conversation.

19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 53

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JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: KingofRnR

Looks like he played well when it mattered the most but 8 Goals and 23 Points in 52GP isn’t what most people would consider ”spectacular“

> Matched Raymond's point pace
> 3rd in league for PIMs [mostly gritty penalties]
> First season as a center
> Don't know how he ended but half way he was top 10 in the SHL in GAR or WAR
As an 18 y/o.

His game isn't scoring. His game is being a hornet; he's everywhere on the ice and hitting anything that moves.

19 avr. 2023 à 23 h 57

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Nothing spectacular?
You're trying to piss me off by just lying to me now.

Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Also yeesh, 1D huh. Lol.

It's a lower ppg than Raymond in his D+1 year. For example it's quite a bit worse than Lindholm in his draft year. Nothing special

20 avr. 2023 à 0 h 3

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KingofRnR

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Thanks for the information, I don’t know the guy, so I’m just going off what I can see. It’s your job to tell us the facts if you know and want to share, but you don’t gotta be rude about it to get there.

Stick to your facts and I’ll stick to my points and observations. I’ll either justify my point or be taught and educated differently.

It’s just conversation, there’s no need to get anxious or grouchy over it

20 avr. 2023 à 0 h 3

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JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

It's a lower ppg than Raymond in his D+1 year. For example it's quite a bit worse than Lindholm in his draft year. Nothing special

Blah blah blah read the other posts.

20 avr. 2023 à 0 h 5

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JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: KingofRnR

Apologies if I got rude. It's just tiresome being a broken record having to repeat the fact that Marco Kasper, as a matter of fact, had a phenomenal D+1 season, and that he wasn't drafted for his offensive capabilities.

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20 avr. 2023 à 0 h 13

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JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Would recommend watching IceHockeyGifs' Marco Kasper video.

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