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Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 18 avr. 2023
Publié: 18 avr. 2023
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I have noticed a lot of posts on here saying that Petry has 0 value and the Pens would be happy to get rid of him for free and not pay anything. I believe this has come from fellow Pens fans just sending him off for nothing and giving fans of other teams this idea that he was horrible this year.

I am not saying he's worth this great return but I do believe that he's worth at least a late 3rd, you Pens fans see we missed the playoffs and think everyone was just bad when in reality it came down to goaltending,

I also have seen this, not as much, with Pettersson, who was arguably a top 5 defensive defenseman on a pretty good deal. The fact that I saw another teams fan make a Pens retool and cap dumped his contract because he has seen Pens fans complain about him just blows my mind.

You can panic all you want, but now you're giving outsiders this idea that players with value are cap dumps worth nothing.
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18 avr. 2023 à 11 h 53
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18 avr. 2023 à 11 h 54
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Totally agree.
I think him and Pettersson were a great pairing and if that is your 2nd pairing, you are laughing.
He played on the 2nd pair for most of the year and was on the 2nd PP and was still on pace for 40 points.
Sign a top guy like Graves to pair with Letang and that d-core is good to go.
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18 avr. 2023 à 12 h 0
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Yes I believe Petry still has some value, maybe more like a 4th round pick. His cap hit sucks which makes it hard for other GMs to see that 4th round value.

Between him and Granlund, I would probably keep Petry but one of them definitely has to go due to Hextall's misuse of the cap.
18 avr. 2023 à 12 h 1
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Totally agree.
I think him and Pettersson were a great pairing and if that is your 2nd pairing, you are laughing.
He played on the 2nd pair for most of the year and was on the 2nd PP and was still on pace for 40 points.
Sign a top guy like Graves to pair with Letang and that d-core is good to go.


This roster as constructed sits 5th in the metro. You'll do better than the caps, worse than the islanders.
You're not beating the devils, hurricanes or rangers for position.
You might squeak into the playoffs if buffalo/florida/ottawa don't have a 100 pt season next year.
You'll win 45 games. not 50.
You have no goaltending, your defense is not getting better, its getting worse, and its getting older. You now have the oldest roster in the league (the caps got younger you didnt), and you're not actively tanking.
In a league this competitive that is the worst possible thing you can do.
I said this on another post, As a rangers fan, I love this.
18 avr. 2023 à 12 h 19
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This roster as constructed sits 5th in the metro. You'll do better than the caps, worse than the islanders.
You're not beating the devils, hurricanes or rangers for position.
You might squeak into the playoffs if buffalo/florida/ottawa don't have a 100 pt season next year.
You'll win 45 games. not 50.
You have no goaltending, your defense is not getting better, its getting worse, and its getting older. You now have the oldest roster in the league (the caps got younger you didnt), and you're not actively tanking.
In a league this competitive that is the worst possible thing you can do.
I said this on another post, As a rangers fan, I love this.


To be fair the goaltending here is good(not none) and the defense is better than what they had this season. It's just Cole in for Dumo
18 avr. 2023 à 12 h 26
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You're only worth what people are willing to pay. He played fine this past season but there's no reason for a team to pay for a 36 year old making 6.25mil for 2 more seasons. Not to mention the NTC/NMC he has
18 avr. 2023 à 12 h 30
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Quoting: slater417
This roster as constructed sits 5th in the metro. You'll do better than the caps, worse than the islanders.
You're not beating the devils, hurricanes or rangers for position.
You might squeak into the playoffs if buffalo/florida/ottawa don't have a 100 pt season next year.
You'll win 45 games. not 50.
You have no goaltending, your defense is not getting better, its getting worse, and its getting older. You now have the oldest roster in the league (the caps got younger you didnt), and you're not actively tanking.
In a league this competitive that is the worst possible thing you can do.
I said this on another post, As a rangers fan, I love this.


Go look at my recent post. Sure, we are getting older, but I still think that is a good team.
18 avr. 2023 à 12 h 31
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To be fair the goaltending here is good(not none) and the defense is better than what they had this season. It's just Cole in for Dumo


Jarry saved 7.4 goals above average. He had a quality start percentage of .574 and his save percentage this season was .909

The league average is .904
Jarry was basically the average goaltender. For a goaltender who's making 4m. Thats "none"
18 avr. 2023 à 12 h 39
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Jarry saved 7.4 goals above average. He had a quality start percentage of .574 and his save percentage this season was .909

The league average is .904
Jarry was basically the average goaltender. For a goaltender who's making 4m. Thats "none"


Wow - one season where he played injured half the year and it torched is stats and he was still above average. Sounds pretty good to me - and definitely not "none". Not sure why you're bringing up his 3.5mil AAV as if that's a lot lol
18 avr. 2023 à 12 h 45
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Wow - one season where he played injured half the year and it torched is stats and he was still above average. Sounds pretty good to me - and definitely not "none". Not sure why you're bringing up his 3.5mil AAV as if that's a lot lol


he was also .909 in 20-21 and as a backup in 17-18 he was .908

Jarry has had a few years of great play. including 1 great playoff run.

Jarry should be in the same league as bobrovsky for being inconsistent AF.
You cannot rely on Jarry to give you .920 goaltending, which is what you'd need to be in the playoffs.
18 avr. 2023 à 13 h 3
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he was also .909 in 20-21 and as a backup in 17-18 he was .908

Jarry has had a few years of great play. including 1 great playoff run.

Jarry should be in the same league as bobrovsky for being inconsistent AF.
You cannot rely on Jarry to give you .920 goaltending, which is what you'd need to be in the playoffs.


Okay...... and???

Jarry's never even had a playoff run btw. Yeah a few years, and he's only played a few years, which means he must be pretty good. He shouldnt be in the same league as BOB though and isn't inconsistent AF. Apparently Shesterkin belongs there too then. 920 is what you need to get into the playoffs? So only 3 teams made the playoffs this year? I'd love to hear who you're getting that's better
18 avr. 2023 à 14 h 51
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Okay...... and???

Jarry's never even had a playoff run btw. Yeah a few years, and he's only played a few years, which means he must be pretty good. He shouldnt be in the same league as BOB though and isn't inconsistent AF. Apparently Shesterkin belongs there too then. 920 is what you need to get into the playoffs? So only 3 teams made the playoffs this year? I'd love to hear who you're getting that's better


The rangers last season relied heavily on amazing goaltending because they lacked a significant amount of depth and scoring opportunities.
They had a great powerplay but below average 5v5 play.

The penguins this year were a mediocre 5v5 team, mediocre powerplay, and mediocre goaltending, and won 40 games.
Teams don't need .920 save percentage to make the playoffs. That pittsburg penguins team needs .920 save percentage to make the playoffs.
Penguins made the playoffs last year when Jarry had a .919 SV%. This year he had a .909 and they missed by 3 poitns.
18 avr. 2023 à 14 h 56
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The rangers last season relied heavily on amazing goaltending because they lacked a significant amount of depth and scoring opportunities.
They had a great powerplay but below average 5v5 play.

The penguins this year were a mediocre 5v5 team, mediocre powerplay, and mediocre goaltending, and won 40 games.
Teams don't need .920 save percentage to make the playoffs. That pittsburg penguins team needs .920 save percentage to make the playoffs.
Penguins made the playoffs last year when Jarry had a .919 SV%. This year he had a .909 and they missed by 3 poitns.


I'm reading this over and over trying to find a point about Jarry not being good but I can't seem to find it. And they made the playoffs the year before when he had a .909 - so.........

Still waiting for who's a better option too
18 avr. 2023 à 17 h 25
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I'm reading this over and over trying to find a point about Jarry not being good but I can't seem to find it. And they made the playoffs the year before when he had a .909 - so.........

Still waiting for who's a better option too

I dont have a better option. But one thing that I tried pointing out in an earlier comment was that the team is old. 3 years ago when he had a .909 they were 3 years younger and more capable of supporting subpar goaltending. Crosby is not a top 3 center in the NHL anymore. He's still in the top 10, but he's not top 3, and maybe not even top 5. Malkin isn't a top 15 center in the NHL anymore.
Letang isn't a top 10 defenseman anymore.
So the core of the team, who's getting paid the most money, can't carry the team around mediocre goaltending.
Either you transition the team to a younger core, you rebuild, or you deal with NHL purgatory.
19 avr. 2023 à 9 h 14
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I dont have a better option. But one thing that I tried pointing out in an earlier comment was that the team is old. 3 years ago when he had a .909 they were 3 years younger and more capable of supporting subpar goaltending. Crosby is not a top 3 center in the NHL anymore. He's still in the top 10, but he's not top 3, and maybe not even top 5. Malkin isn't a top 15 center in the NHL anymore.
Letang isn't a top 10 defenseman anymore.
So the core of the team, who's getting paid the most money, can't carry the team around mediocre goaltending.
Either you transition the team to a younger core, you rebuild, or you deal with NHL purgatory.


If there's no better option then clearly he's pretty good. 3 years ago they didn't have Hextall butchering the team though too. Yes - the team is old - but the old core is playing just as good as they were 3 years ago. They aren't the issue, or the difference - it was the rest of the team that is the problem. A competent GM has this team easily in the playoffs and we wouldn't even be having this current discussion. I mean - they clearly can - that's what they did this year. It's not like they carried the team anymore 3 years ago than they did this year, in fact it's probably the opposite. The issue is the supporting cast is way worse. And Petry makes the second most money on the team.

For what it's worth, Jarry was 7th in save% and GSAA last season. And prior to his injury this season he was 7th in save% and 6th in GSAA. He's not mediocre or subpar. At all. I feel like you're are completely ignoring the elephant in the room that is Hextall and trying to blame players that aren't at fault.
19 avr. 2023 à 9 h 49
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If there's no better option then clearly he's pretty good. 3 years ago they didn't have Hextall butchering the team though too. Yes - the team is old - but the old core is playing just as good as they were 3 years ago. They aren't the issue, or the difference - it was the rest of the team that is the problem. A competent GM has this team easily in the playoffs and we wouldn't even be having this current discussion. I mean - they clearly can - that's what they did this year. It's not like they carried the team anymore 3 years ago than they did this year, in fact it's probably the opposite. The issue is the supporting cast is way worse. And Petry makes the second most money on the team.

For what it's worth, Jarry was 7th in save% and GSAA last season. And prior to his injury this season he was 7th in save% and 6th in GSAA. He's not mediocre or subpar. At all. I feel like you're are completely ignoring the elephant in the room that is Hextall and trying to blame players that aren't at fault.


The gm gave you a mediocre to bad pieces around your core. Your core is not "performing like they did". Scoring this year went up significantly, and yet crosby put up basically the same numbers he had the past few years. He's now a 90 pt center, in a league with 120 point centers.

Old also means more likely to be injured. So while this year you had almost no games missed by crosby and malkin, thats going to be a rarity.
19 avr. 2023 à 10 h 17
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The gm gave you a mediocre to bad pieces around your core. Your core is not "performing like they did". Scoring this year went up significantly, and yet crosby put up basically the same numbers he had the past few years. He's now a 90 pt center, in a league with 120 point centers.

Old also means more likely to be injured. So while this year you had almost no games missed by crosby and malkin, thats going to be a rarity.


Performing like they did a decade ago? No. Performing like they did 3 years ago. Yes, pretty much. There's more to hockey than just "what's your point total" - as I'm sure you would agree.

Yes - it'll be rare. But it was rare for them when they were young too so it's not like much has changed just because they're old
 
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