Yeesh. All you gotta say is you want more than he's worth. I don't need to see a putrid offer including 10OA, Seider, and Kasper (LET ALONE +)

It isn't very biased when the comparison isn't really close. Some player comparisons are very debatable, however Pettersson for Aho is not a conversation you want to get started because there is a whole lot pointing in Petterssons favour and pretty much nothing in Aho's favour

DeBrincat points per game last 3 years: .933
Pettersson points per game last 3 years: 1.02
That’s the equivalent of 7.13 points over the course of a season.
Hardly a difference that shows Pettersson is “by far better” or “3 times better” than DeBrincat.

So statistically, an extra 1st, a middle 6 forward, and a good prospect should make up for the 7 point difference over 82 games.

Of course, who am I to let facts and statistics get in the way of a good narrative…

To be fair, EP is significantly better defensively. However, making a trade that'll make both teams happy is physically impossible

Haha no, not even remotely close to a Petey trade. How about Seider for Ethan Bear, a first and a second, seem fair?

One is a one dimensional winger who's a defensive liability and older. The other is a center who plays selke level defense and makes everyone around him better and has improved every year of his career (except 2021 when he had a bad injury). Pettersson is worth a hell of a lot more.

I would never dare (nor do I care).

Pettersson has been injured the two years prior to this one. How about the fact that Pettersson is about to put up 100 points. DeBrincat only had 78 points the season he was traded. Pretty significant difference. Not to mention that Pettersson is SIGNIFICANTLY better defensively than DeBrincat, while also playing a more important position. Also you neglected the fact that Ottawa got a 7th overall pick whereas your picks are literally protected. What value makes up for the difference in first round picks? The Hawks were also shopping DeBrincat. The Canucks have publicly said that Pettersson is completely off limits. If you want to pry him from Vancouver, there is absolutely no reason that they would trade him without getting a premium asset like Seider back. Absolutely no reason. It simply isn't logical. They don't want to move Pettersson so why should they without getting a MASSIVE overpay? They fact that you think the Wings could get Pettersson without moving ANY of their top prospects or ANY of their top players, and not even their OWN first round pick is embarassing. Lack of critical thinking and poor evaluation of value.

He might, but I think I saw that he was worth 4.3M or something from the athletic, Hes a good defenceman, but I am not totally sure if he'll ever be elite

I think he will be a fantastic defenseman, however in a league where guys like Makar, Fox, Hughes are putting up a point per game, it is harder for a two way defender to win. I think he will be a solid 2 way d man who isn't a superstar offensively, but is reliable. I don't think he will win a Norris purely based on how the awards are handed out. It is basically an offense d man award

lol, did someone say EP is a top 5 player in the world and a Selke contender? He's an excellent player, no doubt, but he's never received a Selke vote, and has never been top 5 in any counting stats.

He likely will be at the end of this year. Top 5 player is a huge reach but he is definitely a top 10 center

if canucks are in the playoffs petey has hart votes.. should get some selke votes regardless. watch any canucks game

id pass on every one of those UFA's

Pettersson just broke out. He had bad years to injuries but it putting up over 100 points while being one of the best defensive forwards in the league. He is also doing this without some "Patrick Kane" guy that was helping out DeBrincat. He's way better offensively (100 point players >> ~ ppg players), leagues better defensively, plays a more valuable position, and isn't being shipped. The values are not comparable

Got it. The comparable stats aren’t comparable because he’s your guy.
I’m not even saying they’re the same. I’m literally giving an extra 1st, a good prospect, and a roster player in addition to what DeBrincat got.
Also, the “his stats were down because he got hurt” argument 1) doesn’t really apply to ppg and 2) wouldn’t the injuries lower his value a little?

Let's look at all the factors that give Pettersson more value than DeBrincat.

1. DeBrincat had 78 points in 82 games last season, Pettersson has 96 points in 74 games this season (on pace for 105 points in 82 games). That's a difference of nearly 30 points. Sure you can look at stats from 3 years ago, but their stats from this season paint a different picture, namely that DeBrincat has been consistantly the same player over the past 3 years while Pettersson has been progressing better and better every year. If you want to say I'm letting facts get in the way of a good narrative, then it seems you are doing the exact same by ignoring Pettersson's break out year.

2. Pettersson is a complete two-way forward who will likely be a Selke finalist this year, and for many years to come. DeBrincat is a one-dimensional scoring winger who is terrible in his own zone.

3. Pettersson plays centre, DeBrincat is a winger. Centres historically hold more value than wingers.

4. The Blackhawks were shopping DeBrincat and looking to rebuild. They were actively looking to get the best offer and were going to move him for whatever that offer was. The Canucks have stated that they have zero intent to move Pettersson and view him as their franchise centrepiece that they want to build their team around. As such, even if this offer was fair value (which it isn't) they wouldn't consider trading Pettersson for anything short on a massive overpay, as they have absolutely zero reason to trade their franchise centrepiece who is their future captain.

5. The Senators received the 7th overall pick for DeBrincat. You're offering 2 1sts that project to be in the 14-20 range. If we're valuing the Islanders and Red Wings picks as both equal to a 1st in value, then the pick Ottawa received is worth 2 1sts in value due to it being much higher in the 1st round. Basically, pick 7 = picks 14 & 16. An early 1st is pretty equal to the value of two mid 1sts. 2nd = 2nd. Johansson is a B prospect worth a 2nd in value, that's not much better than the 3rd Chicago received for DeBrincat. Fabbri is an injury prone winger, Canucks already have too many wingers and don't need more, Fabbri doesn't really add any value to the trade and is worth a 3rd at most.

So when you break it down, Chicago received a 1st/2nd/3rd for DeBrincat, while here Vancouver is receiving the equivalent of a 1st/2nd/2nd/3rd. A single extra 2nd doesn't nearly make up for the difference in value between Pettersson and DeBrincat.

If Johansson is worth a 2nd and Fabbri is worth a 3rd(your values) then Vancouver would be receiving 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and a 3rd…
Also, last year was not nearly as strong of a draft as this year. It’s not unreasonable to think that #11 this year(where Detroit currently is) is equal or better than #7 last year.
Clearly Vancouver fans hate this idea but it’s not the value, it’s the idea of losing your guy. Same reason most Detroit fans hated any Larking trades before his extension.(no I’m not saying they’re the same player, just the same idea).