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Blues Leafs Rangers Trade Triangle

Créé par: BDW
Publié: 8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 50
Plafond salarial: 82 500 000 $
Journées à la saison: 64/185 (35%)
Détermination du registraire central: Cette transaction a rempli les différents critères exigés par le registraire central de la LNH.

Logo de Rangers de New YorkRangers de New York

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Blais, SamuelRangers de New YorkLNH-527 568 $011---39055--
Kravtsov, VitaliRangers de New YorkLNH-302 703 $011---27336--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Rangers de New YorkNYR)---100------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Tarasenko, VladimirBlues de St-LouisLNH50%1 297 297 $011---38101929--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial1 234 869 $2347654413
Variation-467 026 $-1-1-1-100
Final767 843 $ (↓)22 (↓)46 (↓)64 (↓)3 (↓)41371118

Logo de Blues de St-LouisBlues de St-Louis

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
O'Reilly, RyanBlues de St-LouisIR50%3 750 000 $011---3710616--
Tarasenko, VladimirBlues de St-LouisLNH50%3 750 000 $011---38101929--
Acciari, NoelBlues de St-LouisLNH-1 250 000 $011---5110818--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Blais, SamuelRangers de New YorkLNH-1 525 000 $011---39055--
Kerfoot, AlexanderMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-3 500 000 $011---5271623--
Kravtsov, VitaliRangers de New YorkLNH-875 000 $011---27336--
Sandin, RasmusMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-1 400 000 $011---4731316--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Rangers de New YorkNYR)---100------
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Maple Leafs de TorontoTOR)---100------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial1 857 500 $2148643512
Variation1 450 000 $211200
Final3 307 500 $ (↑)23 (↑)49 (↑)65 (↑)5 (↑)512-174-13

Logo de Maple Leafs de TorontoMaple Leafs de Toronto

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Kerfoot, AlexanderMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-3 500 000 $011---5271623--
Sandin, RasmusMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-1 400 000 $011---4731316--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Maple Leafs de TorontoTOR)---100------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
O'Reilly, RyanBlues de St-LouisIR50%3 750 000 $011---3710616--
Acciari, NoelBlues de St-LouisLNH-1 250 000 $011---5110818--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial1 130 833 $2349683411
Variation-100 000 $-100-100
Final1 030 833 $ (↓)22 (↓)49682 (↓)41110-15-5
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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 52
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As a Blues fan, feels like this is quite the haul for three players that are unlikely to resign but will give two teams pieces they need for a deep run, all with experience.

Would love to hear overall thoughts on these packages (essentially two separate trades, combined into one)
8 févr. 2023 à 12 h 23
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I think Toronto passes.
8 févr. 2023 à 12 h 28
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I think Toronto passes.


Think so? Just too much to give up or not willing to give up those pieces?

ROR would help and Acciari will be a nice depth piece with some grit for them. Think both players could be on their radar. Was thinking Barbi instead but his higher cap hit makes it difficult to facilitate
8 févr. 2023 à 12 h 30
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Think so? Just too much to give up or not willing to give up those pieces?

ROR would help and Acciari will be a nice depth piece with some grit for them. Think both players could be on their radar. Was thinking Barbi instead but his higher cap hit makes it difficult to facilitate


Probably a combination of both.
8 févr. 2023 à 12 h 36
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Quoting: mokumboi
Probably a combination of both.


How about.... Blues swap out Acciari for Barbi, sending him to Arizona for cap retention purposes. Blues send Arizona a 5th for next year for that retention?
8 févr. 2023 à 12 h 42
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How about.... Blues swap out Acciari for Barbi, sending him to Arizona for cap retention purposes. Blues send Arizona a 5th for next year for that retention?


Well, that's probably closer.
8 févr. 2023 à 12 h 44
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Leafs will not give up their first for a rental. Any trade involving their first or Knies would need to give them a player with term back.
8 févr. 2023 à 12 h 50
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Leafs will not give up their first for a rental. Any trade involving their first or Knies would need to give them a player with term back.


I think if the Leafs get ROR or Barbi, one or even both could get an extension at the end of the season. Barbi is more likely
8 févr. 2023 à 12 h 59
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Leafs cannot afford to re up the guys on the team they currently have. They cannot afford to resign either of these guys.
8 févr. 2023 à 13 h 27
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Quoting: Goggs
Leafs cannot afford to re up the guys on the team they currently have. They cannot afford to resign either of these guys.


I think the leafs will be able to resign Barbi for cheaper than Kerfoot.

Also would expect someone to be moved out this next summer (probably Nylander or even Tavares)

This should be their all-in year and could be willing to give up extra for rentals
8 févr. 2023 à 13 h 41
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Tavares has a full no move and will not be traded. He would never waive it. Nylander could be traded, only if Dubas and Co are let go. But trading Nylander for these guys is a net loss. The leafs need to make room for a 3-4m a year raise if they want to resign bunting. Holl is due to double his salary to around 4m per year or they lose him and have to find a replacement 20min a night D man for only 2m dollar (that doesnt exist) and they need to resign Samsonov who will likely get 3-5m per which is a raise of 2m at least. Holmberg needs a raise and so does Kampf, Who the leafs cannot afford and will lose to FA. At which point they will need a new third line C for only 1.5m (also doesn't exist). Just to keep the team they currently have, They need to find about 8-9M in cap space. Assuming the Leafs make no trade, as things stand now, they would have to let Kampf and Holl walk, replace Holl with Timmins, replace Kampf with Holmberg at 3C (at about a 1m a year raise), sign a new 4th line C at league min. Let Kerfoot AND Envall walk. Replace both of them with league min players. And then they would have just enough money to resign Bunting and Samsonov.
8 févr. 2023 à 14 h 4
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Quoting: Goggs
Tavares has a full no move and will not be traded. He would never waive it. Nylander could be traded, only if Dubas and Co are let go. But trading Nylander for these guys is a net loss. The leafs need to make room for a 3-4m a year raise if they want to resign bunting. Holl is due to double his salary to around 4m per year or they lose him and have to find a replacement 20min a night D man for only 2m dollar (that doesnt exist) and they need to resign Samsonov who will likely get 3-5m per which is a raise of 2m at least. Holmberg needs a raise and so does Kampf, Who the leafs cannot afford and will lose to FA. At which point they will need a new third line C for only 1.5m (also doesn't exist). Just to keep the team they currently have, They need to find about 8-9M in cap space. Assuming the Leafs make no trade, as things stand now, they would have to let Kampf and Holl walk, replace Holl with Timmins, replace Kampf with Holmberg at 3C (at about a 1m a year raise), sign a new 4th line C at league min. Let Kerfoot AND Envall walk. Replace both of them with league min players. And then they would have just enough money to resign Bunting and Samsonov.


I think one of their big guys is going to have to be traded. Kind of tough when you have Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Matthews, Rielly, Brodie and Muzzin carrying over 55% of your total cap. Someone needs to go or else it'll be league minimum players in their bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair defensemen.

Nylander honestly should be a casualty of this cap situation, but not necessarily in this trade. Can trade him in the offseason to get some cheap pieces to fill in the bottom roles.

Make this trade for Barbi and ROR, possibly sign them both for semi-cheap. Still have room to sign some of their other FAs on cheap contracts if possible.
Also think trading Murray isn't out of the question if they keep Samsonov to give Woll a shot as a backup or sign a league minimum vet to fill that role.

Still think this trade makes sense for Toronto since they should be in win now mode this year with all the cap issues in the near future.
8 févr. 2023 à 14 h 21
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Quoting: wozniwack
I think one of their big guys is going to have to be traded. Kind of tough when you have Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Matthews, Rielly, Brodie and Muzzin carrying over 55% of your total cap. Someone needs to go or else it'll be league minimum players in their bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair defensemen.

Nylander honestly should be a casualty of this cap situation, but not necessarily in this trade. Can trade him in the offseason to get some cheap pieces to fill in the bottom roles.

Make this trade for Barbi and ROR, possibly sign them both for semi-cheap. Still have room to sign some of their other FAs on cheap contracts if possible.
Also think trading Murray isn't out of the question if they keep Samsonov to give Woll a shot as a backup or sign a league minimum vet to fill that role.

Still think this trade makes sense for Toronto since they should be in win now mode this year with all the cap issues in the near future.


Extra thoughts on this, trade Nylander while his value is high and at the end of his contract. They know they probably won't be able to resign him after another good year, and could trade him to get cheaper and young pieces to fill voids. Get rid of one d-man possibly as well to free up even more space. JT, AM, and MM are virtually untouchable. Reilly as well.
Anyone else with a cap over 2mil should be on the block during the offseason just to try to get out of this cap space situation
8 févr. 2023 à 14 h 45
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They arent just on the block they HAVE to go, just to ice a team. I think what I suggested is about what will happen. The only changes will be what they do at this deadline, and given the situation, I think Dubas will only make moves for cost effective guys with term. He cant afford to do anything else. Its going to cost them a second, maybe even a first round pick to move Murray if they have to do that.
8 févr. 2023 à 15 h 51
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I think these are actually pretty good.
Maybe take out Blais and send a 3rd to Tor and that might be perfect
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8 févr. 2023 à 17 h 25
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I think these are actually pretty good.
Maybe take out Blais and send a 3rd to Tor and that might be perfect


I added Blais since I was a fan of his play here in STL. Will bring the grit back if we lose Barbi

Are you saying ROR, Barbi and a third to TOR? Or if it were ROR, Acciari to add a 3rd as well? thinking if Barbi is added, send him to ARI with a 5th to retain salary, then sent to TOR and it shouldn't cost another pick. At the very least maybe a 4th or later
 
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