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Ekholm and Labanc

Créé par: BeterChiarelli
Équipe: 2022-23 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 9 janv. 2023
Publié: 9 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
The two trades I lack ultimate confidence in are the two that matter the most to this AGM. I'd like the most feedback on those two moves if possible.

Ekholm's value sits somewhere around Broberg, the 2023 first, and some appropriate amount of salary cap headed back to Tennessee. Sissons' value as-is looks to be that of a typical third-line forward and maybe Nashville finds some appeal in a Foegele-Sissons swap by way of Edmonton adding a prospect (Berezkin?). I don't know how to value the $5.71M Nashville is asked to retain in this trade but I know the ask is not small. I used the Monahan-to-Montreal deal as a proxy, just without the conditional add-ons as the idea here is that Edmonton isn't looking to take on a negative asset. I have the Predators tacking on an extra piece of draft capital in 2024 as the value from my point of view feels slanted in Nashville's favour: I don't think Barrie and Foegele are the full-fat negative roster pieces a lot of posters make them out to be and the two of them would be good complimentary pieces to help Nashville stay competitive next season after taking an off-year to accumulate some picks and prospects.

I'm iffy on the Sharks trade because I can't find a consistent value for Labanc. I've seen things ranging from a first round pick to a second round pick, with all sorts of add-ins in between. Edmonton's issue in upgrading its roster is always going to come down to its number of quality pieces because it very rarely has any to spare. The mileage is going to vary on who values what in this deal: I see the breakdown as Puljujarvi for Nieto and the twin 6th round picks; Kemp, Petrov, and the 2023 second for Labanc; and the 2024 2nd round pick as compensation for the $2.86M Edmonton asks for in retention. It's probably close in terms of quantity but this trade probably lacks the quality value Sharks fans didn't realize they wanted for Labanc.

The rest of this AGM is small potatoes: the Panthers trade merely makes Gildon an official Oilers prospect as he's played more for Bakersfield than the Panthers' own affiliates. A project in Lavoie is sent in exchange as the Bailey signing makes fitting Raphael on the roster nearly impossible. The Canucks trade is Schenn plus organizational depth for a live body and futures and isn't much more than either side should expect. Munzenberger is signed to free him from a disastrously bad Vermont team; hopefully Joel Maatta makes his way to Finland or a better NCAA team for next season.

If next year's cap is only increasing by $1-2M, Yamamoto is the likely the only casualty for the Oilers assuming Bouchard is extended to a deal less than $2.5M/2y.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3950 000 $
Transactions
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2.
EDM
  1. Ekholm, Mattias
  2. Sissons, Colton (1 428 571 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NSH)
NSH
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Berezkin, Maksim [Liste de réserve]
  3. Broberg, Philip
  4. Foegele, Warren
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
3.
EDM
  1. Labanc, Kevin (1 430 000 $ retained)
  2. Nieto, Matt
  3. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (SJS)
  4. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (SJS)
SJS
  1. Kemp, Philip
  2. Petrov, Matvei
  3. Puljujärvi, Jesse
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
4.
EDM
  1. Brisebois, Guillaume
  2. Schenn, Luke (425 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
VAN
  1. Brind'Amour, Skyler [Liste de réserve]
  2. McKegg, Greg
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NSH)
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Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2182 500 000 $82 247 572 $896 000 $1 350 000 $252 428 $

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NMC
UFA - 6
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NMC
UFA - 4
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 4
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 7
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UFA - 3
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UFA - 2
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850 000 $850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 428 572 $1 428 572 $
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UFA - 4
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3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
AG, C
RFA - 2
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798 000 $798 000 $
C
RFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
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RFA - 1
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Predators de Nashville
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
425 000 $425 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
750 000 $750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 1

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9 janv. 2023 à 16 h 4
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Nieto’s value is a late 4th early 5th
Labanc’s is a 2nd and a decent prospect or a 4th max.
neither have the value i would like them to but both provide value to teams, if labanc was on a 2.5 to 3 mil deal with his current production he absolutely would be worth way more.
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Outside of the elite name "Greg McKegg", that offer isn't enough to entice the Canucks
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9 janv. 2023 à 16 h 7
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Nieto’s value is a late 4th early 5th
Labanc’s is a 2nd and a decent prospect or a 4th max.
neither have the value i would like them to but both provide value to teams, if labanc was on a 2.5 to 3 mil deal with his current production he absolutely would be worth way more.


So in reality then, the twin second-round picks and Kemp should be enough for Labanc at the amount I have retained? If Petrov is the only excess to this deal then I'm happy to reorganize the deal.
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I'd be okay with taking some sort of cap back on edmonton's relief for some sort of compensation, but I doubt we retain on Sissons. For 4 more years we may opt to keep him as our 3C. We aren't too interested in forward prospects unless it really shocked us. We have Kemell, Evangelista, Tomasino, Afiniseyev, Svechkov, L'Hereaux. What we'd really need is to bolster our D core.

Broberg works. The trade could probably be
Ekholm for Broberg, Foegele, A 1st and a 4th (the 4th for taking foegele's contract back).
9 janv. 2023 à 16 h 8
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So in reality then, the twin second-round picks and Kemp should be enough for Labanc at the amount I have retained? If Petrov is the only excess to this deal then I'm happy to reorganize the deal.


no i think your fair on the deal
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Outside of the elite name "Greg McKegg", that offer isn't enough to entice the Canucks


I strongly doubt this but I recognize that the Panthers absolutely bamboozled the market for bottom-pair rental defenders last year. What more are the Canucks expecting beyond a 3rd round pick and a low-end prospect?
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I strongly doubt this but I recognize that the Panthers absolutely bamboozled the market for bottom-pair rental defenders last year. What more are the Canucks expecting beyond a 3rd round pick and a low-end prospect?


If we take a look at some examples from last year, Jeremy Lauzon got a second round pick, Kulak got a second +

Luke Schenn is likely worth more than those. Canucks also got a third round pick for 3 million dollar Hamonic who was supposedly going to be a cap dump. I can't see Schenn being worth less than that
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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer
I'd be okay with taking some sort of cap back on edmonton's relief for some sort of compensation, but I doubt we retain on Sissons. For 4 more years we may opt to keep him as our 3C. We aren't too interested in forward prospects unless it really shocked us. We have Kemell, Evangelista, Tomasino, Afanasyev, Svechkov, L'Heureux. What we'd really need is to bolster our D core.

Broberg works. The trade could probably be
Ekholm for Broberg, Foegele, A 1st and a 4th (the 4th for taking foegele's contract back).


I figured that even acquiring Sissons was a stretch but I don't think any deal re: Edmonton and Nashville can occur without it being cap-equivalent, or at the very least within less than $2M. The deal I've proposed is within $500k provided Broberg is rostered. Is it a matter of exchanging Berezkin for Kesselring? Or is The entire framework moot on the near-$6M Edmonton asks to have retained on Sissons?
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I figured that even acquiring Sissons was a stretch but I don't think any deal re: Edmonton and Nashville can occur without it being cap-equivalent, or at the very least within less than $2M. The deal I've proposed is within $500k provided Broberg is rostered. Is it a matter of exchanging Berezkin for Kesselring? Or is The entire framework moot on the near-$6M Edmonton asks to have retained on Sissons?


Probably the Sissons move. I understand how the cap works but I just doubt he gets traded at all. a 30pt, very good defensive 3C is someone we'd probably just rather hold onto, especially if asked to retain on the length. We'd move Ekholm, but opt to keep our forwards. Plus, we aren't in the need for forward prospects.
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Too much going on here and the only necessary trade is for Ekholm, just make a deal around him and lose the rest.
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Too much going on here and the only necessary trade is for Ekholm, just make a deal around him and lose the rest.


At minimum two moves are needed, and in reality it'll probably take three. Any deal for Ekholm is going to require an equal amount of cap moved out as Kane is within weeks of being activated from LTIR. Assume that the trade is Broberg, Barrie, and the 2023 1st for Ekholm. Edmonton is shy an additional RHD to backfill Barrie, is forced to run a 20-man roster, and still requires over $500k in salary cap cleared. In a pinch Edmonton could push Kulak over to his off-side and rotate Niemelainen and maybe Demers out on a per-diem basis, but you're still left with a short-handed roster that's over the cap.

At best, Edmonton finds a value deal with the Blues for a 50%-retained Barbashev for Puljujarvi and a smaller piece.

Edmonton's PK may finally be turning a page, but I remain unconvinced of the personnel and Edmonton is still a poverty club at 5v5. Labanc, Nieto, and Sissons come in to fill all of the remaining holes on the roster. Does it require a lot of moving pieces? Yes. Do the above moves (valid criticisms posted above aside) provide multi-year solutions and actually give Edmonton's roster the appearance of a viable contender? I thought so.

It's year 8 of the McDavid Oilers. At what point do the circus acts of trying to put a half-competitive roster end in favour of icing a bonafide contender?
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Quoting: Juiceman
If we take a look at some examples from last year, Jeremy Lauzon got a second round pick, Kulak got a second +

Luke Schenn is likely worth more than those. Canucks also got a third round pick for 3 million dollar Hamonic who was supposedly going to be a cap dump. I can't see Schenn being worth less than that


Canucks are probably looking primarily for 2023 draft picks in any trade and will do better elsewhere. The extra players are unnecessary and don't impact the value at all.
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