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Equivalent of a first and third should, basically at most, be what it would take. No, Schenn's not worth a second rounder.

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19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 13

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My guess Van doesn't trade him without his consent IF they plan on re-signing him next year. He was an ufa that picked Van over every other team. He's going to be 27. If Van is going to fire sale the team, he may not want to come back. I think he expected them to be better.

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19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 17

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Quoting: leafs101

Equivalent of a first and third should, basically at most, be what it would take. No, Schenn's not worth a second rounder.

Fair enough, I don't hate that price, feels like a fair valuation.

I don't disagree about Schenn but it's the NHL trade deadline and wild things happen with big defencemen having half decent seasons on bad teams. Braun fetched a 3rd last season, Schenn is by all accounts having a better season, is younger on a cheaper deal. Chiarot, Lauzon, Dermott, Hamonic etc. all got returns that are higher than I think they should be. And Schenn, from Saskatchewan.. You're telling me that Sutter isn't telling Treliving to trade his shares in Boston Pizza for him!? I don't think he's worth a second, I don't think it's out of this world to think he is moved for one though.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 17

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I'd be surprised is Kuzmenko is traded and it would take a strong offer for that to happen. These two in one trade is 2023 1st, 2024 2nd + Zary. Especially to a div rival.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 18

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he's a 6th/7th D on any good team. I think the 3rd is the price being driven up from what it should be, a 4th or 5th.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 19

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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo

I'd be surprised is Kuzmenko is traded and it would take a strong offer for that to happen. These two in one trade is 2023 1st, 2024 2nd + Zary. Especially to a div rival.

thats a ridiculous price. VAN should be rebuilding and should sell both of these players, but would be kidding themselves if they expect that return.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 21

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Quoting: leafs101

thats a ridiculous price. VAN should be rebuilding and should sell both of these players, but would be kidding themselves if they expect that return.

No it's not. Both of these players are extremely cheap. Even teams right up against the cap can add them. With that, the amount of teams buying is that mich higher. This isn't a Boeser move with high cap.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 23

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So lets be real. There is no way the Canucks will trade with Calgary. Our GM would be fired. The fans would be pretty upset .Not really things the Canucks need right now. Perhaps another team. IMHO.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 23

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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo

Kuzmenko is an relatively unproven commodity, granted he's done well, so a first rounder in the deepest draft in 8 years should get that done. Schenn is a 6th/7th D on a good team, should be worth about a 4th or 5th but deadline craziness probably bumps him up to around a 3rd rounder.

Van would be dumb to re-sign these guy and not rebuild, changes nothing and keeps the team in perennial mediocrity.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 23

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So lets be real. There is no way the Canucks will trade with Calgary. Our GM would be fired. The fans would be pretty upset .Not really things the Canucks need right now. Perhaps another team. IMHO.

why should VAN care what team gets their rentals when they aren't going to make the playoffs

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 25

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Quoting: leafs101

As noted, even a big pylon like Braun fetched a 3rd.

And you want both these guys, in one deal, to a div rival to make a cup run with a capped out team for the foreseeable future with a win now coach. Pay up or someone gets them.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 27

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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo

"a big pylon like Braun" would be about his comparable as a 3rd pair journeyman older D-man. Not sure why rival matters if VAN won't be competing for the playoffs and is rebuilding. Has no bearing on their outcomes. But yea maybe he goes to a different team, just not at a much bigger price than what I've outlined.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 27

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Quoting: leafs101

why should VAN care what team gets their rentals when they aren't going to make the playoffs

Because that is MY opinion. That is why i wrote it.

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19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 28

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Quoting: remowilliams

Because that is MY opinion. That is why i wrote it.

and you are entitled to your opinion, I am just asking why you as a fan would care more about interfering with a rival than doing what your team needs to do.

Not discrediting your opinion, more asking why that is your opinion.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 28

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Quoting: remowilliams

So lets be real. There is no way the Canucks will trade with Calgary. Our GM would be fired. The fans would be pretty upset .Not really things the Canucks need right now. Perhaps another team. IMHO.

I think that notion is gone a little bit when one team is rebuilding and these guys are pretty much rentals. I don't think there would be a deal that would see a bunch of promising future pieces going back and forth that could haunt a team for a decade but if the Canucks got the best offer for Schenn from Calgary I think it would be even more of a fireable offence not to take it.

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19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 32

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Quoting: leafs101

It is ONLY your opinion that we should do" what the team needs". Its not a forgone conclusion .Again in my opinion.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 35

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Quoting: remowilliams

It is ONLY your opinion that we should do" what the team needs". Its not a forgone conclusion .Again in my opinion.

so is your opinion that Nucks don't need to rebuild? Again, just asking.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 39

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Quoting: leafs101

He'll fetch a late 2nd from a contending team. I'm not even worried about that. Bigger to fish to fry in Van. Kuz, as a new signing, still young, extremely productive off the bat would take a big offer.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 41

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Quoting: leafs101

so is your opinion that Nucks don't need to rebuild? Again, just asking.

Please do not put words in my mouth. I never said that ,simply your ideas for the future of the Canucks and mine are way different. So lets agree to disagree .

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 45

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Quoting: remowilliams

Please do not put words in my mouth. I never said that ,simply your ideas for the future of the Canucks and mine are way different. So lets agree to disagree .

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I just genuinely don't understand your stance and am trying to get a grip on it. From what I understand, if you rebuild you trade Kuzmenko, and if you don't you try to bring him back. Not trying to get in a hostile argument, really just don't understand what your actual stance is. All you've done is say mine is wrong without actually offering your opinion clearly.

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 46

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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo

he won't, but we can agree to disagree and wait until TDL.

Its not like Kuz is an RFA either, he's UFA and if everything is going to sh*t he's probably not sticking around.

19 déc. 2022 à 15 h 3

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