And? Reilly replaces Bryson, not Joker. Joki just isn't that good.

He wasn't good on the top pairing with Dahlin playing his 1st season there...and he won't ever really have to again, barring injuries.

I saw his metrics on 2nd and 3rd pairing:

Bryson-Joker 7GF 6GA
Power-Joker 6GF 6GA
Sammy-Joker 1GF 1 GA

Igets injured all the time. I don't know how you can count on such a defender in your top 4.

Looks at the trade proposal....

Murphy 180GP last 4 years
Joker 180GP last 4 years

WTF are you talking about?

Skinner is on a point per game pace. The Sabres are also at the cap floor and the NHL is expecting one of the largest cap ceiling jumps in league history. Theyre also more than likely going to draft a dman, of which there are not many expected to go in the 1st round.

I specifically talked about Henri Jokiharju last season and this season.

I don't see anything desperate in this. This is the improvement of the composition that we need. Not all physical forwards have fallen at 30 years old, I think Mayer may still have 5-6 good years.

I just do not agree with the slow development of the team completely from the inside. Time is the problem. They can't just wait and lose because it will be a repeat of the losing culture that was under Murray, under Botterill, Eichel and company. These players will turn into new Eichel, ROR, Ullmark, Reinhart and Risto who want to leave due to constant loss and this is a vicious circle. Look at New Jersey, look at Detroit. There GMs make improvements, even Yzerman understands when rebuilding that the team needs to improve and develop, despite the rebuilding that has not yet been completed. I do not agree that we should do nothing and just sit and wait.

Also Murphy is better than Jokiharju (my opinion).

Skinner isn't playing bad, but he's still not worth his contract. He's not a guy that drives his line. You could find similar player for 5Mish. Good teams don't have many contracts like that. Once you starting adding them up with Skinner 9M, Timo 9M+, Dahlin 9M+, it starts to look rough.

Skinner does more than people think and right now hes outperforming Stone, for the same money at the same age. I think people got to attached to that narrative and dont want to let it go. There was clearly a problem in the locker room during those 2 seasons + the covid hysteria, now Skinner is back to normal

You don't see trading a first (in a great draft) + a good prospect when you're not a playoff team for a rental that needs a big contract as desperate???

The actual data shows that guys like him fall off in their 30s. You can ignore that if you want.

Murray & Botterill tried to do fast rebuilds like you're trying to do. You don't want to be bad, but want to repeat what bad GMs did. I don't get it.

New Jersey did a smart rebuild. They didn't make big trades. Never traded away a 1st. Their trades were smart moves like taking advantage of cap strapped teams like John Marino & Siegenthaler. All their best players are young guys. Go that route with building a team.

Not the Ottawa method. Red Wings are also only 4 points ahead of you while their rebuild is further along than yours. They are not in a good position.

2022-2023:

Player 1: 80% GF % 5v5
Player 2: 50%

Player 1: 41% xGF%
Player 2: 41% xGF%

Before the season I said add Vanecek and Marino. After that Devils traded both players. Man i know how it works.

Then why you trading a 2023 1st + Rosen for Timo and giving him a big contract lol?

Woooooaaaaahhh there’s no way I’d give up all that for Conor Murphy.

Idk man, a former first rounder and a 2nd round pick is a little steep of a price imo. I think you could get a better player than Murphy for that. Granted, I also am not a huge Murphy fan.

Joker is arguably the same or better than Murphy.

Why not? I'm a big fan of Timo, I already said he's the perfect player for Buffalo, in his prime, not old, first protected in the top 10. Without Rosen and first, we probably have one of the best prospect pools in the league. This is not Murray's situation when he sold all the futures and we have nothing left.

About the big contract. Trade occurs if he signs for reasonable money. We have a lot of space in the cap.

Murray didn't sell "all" the futures. He just made several pointless not needed trades. These are more Jason Botterill type moves.

"signs for reasonable money" it's Buffalo. People don't take discounts to sign with the Sabres. Think 9M+
"we have a lot of space" you have a Dahlin & Cozens extension coming up. You can burn cap space pretty quick. Sens had a bunch and they probably won't have any summer time and they still stink.

OMG lol....no way

Murphy > Jokiharju

period

Great argument. You really persuaded me.

Yet one player has better stats. period.

And what stats are you looking at before you emphatically say so? So far you've used +/- which is joke to rate a defensive player if you know anything about hockey. And GF% even worse; what's next...point totals?

I've used +/-, GP, GF%, xGF%

You've used "no way"

And yes, he also scores more points.

Murphy
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1432722911559815168

Jokiharju
https://www.expectedbuffalo.com/buffalo-sabres-2022-offseason-bridging-the-gap-on-defense/

It's not close, Murphy is way better defender and Jokiharju doesn't produce enough offensively to offset that.

Stats from 2018 to August 2021? Cool. Why not talk about how Murphy was better when he was than Joker when Murphy was 6 years old and Joker was a newborn?