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Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 14 h 27
Sujet: Sabres Summer DL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>“I can never understand this approach”
Yeah… that’s why you’re not a gm. 💀

You’re very, very stubborn, even when faced with the possibility you might be wrong. I’ll give you that.
“UPL has been solid”
Cool, thanks for proving to me you DONT actually watch the Sabers and you’re speaking out of your arse.
UPL has a 3.29, .899… that isn’t “solid”, he can’t stop a beach ball. Comries stats aren’t any better. The only serviceable goalie they’ve had is Anderson, who’s a big gamble at 41. They don’t need to invest “long term” to block out Levi, they’d need to put better players in front of Anderson or get somebody who’s cheap to take the pressure off his shoulders.

“Timo can play defense”
“It’s not just about scoring goals”
Awesome. But that doesn’t change the fact that their back end is currently, statistically, getting shelled almost every game. Meier, on LW1/2, isn’t going to make much of a change in that regard. You’re very good at ignoring statistics and moving the goalposts when it fits your narrative. Sure, he might be a defensively responsible forward, but he’s not going to somehow magically solve their defensive issues and bring them a cup.

“Tons of armchair for GMs for Jeannot”
Awesome, to which Jeannot would probably be a cheaper, and better replacement for the Sabers. They also lack depth. There are plenty of defensively responsible players on the block they could go for that are cheaper, and if not just as good as Meier is at playing defense. Bulk up the bottom 6 and get the difference maker on the back end.

I’ve said this like… what.. 3 times now? They are one of the worst teams for goals against this season, and it’s been very clear to literally everybody that goaltending and defense is where their issues lie.

Timo, once again, is NOT what they need.</div></div>

&gt;Yeah… that’s why you’re not a gm.

Well it was reported that the Sabres had conversations about Timo so apparently me and Adams share similar ideas. He's a smart GM.

&gt; UPL has a 3.29, .899… that isn’t “solid”, he can’t stop a beach ball.

Ok now I know you don't watch them at all. He's been pretty decent

UPL has a goals saved above expected of 3.4. That's good for 21st out of starting goalies. That's better than Tristan Jerry, Logan Thompson, and Stuart Skinner. He's right below Darcy Kuemper.

Raw save % never tells the whole story about how well a goalie is playing.

Anderson is playing the easier opponents. UPL right now is playing like an average goalie. You can win in this league with an average goalie.

&gt;Awesome. But that doesn’t change the fact that their back end is currently, statistically, getting shelled almost every game. Meier, on LW1/2, isn’t going to make much of a change in that regard. You’re very good at ignoring statistics and moving the goalposts when it fits your narrative. Sure, he might be a defensively responsible forward, but he’s not going to somehow magically solve their defensive issues and bring them a cup.

What statistics am I ignoring? You don't seem to have a good understanding of stats and what they mean. That's pretty obvious with your comments about UPL. Doesn't seem like you watch and just look at box scores.

Forwards play a huge part in defense. Anyone who has actually played hockey knows that. The fact that you don't know that is telling. Not 1 player is ever gonna solve the issue for the team. Trading for Timo &amp; going after a d man in FA aren't mutually exclusive.

&gt;Awesome, to which Jeannot would probably be a cheaper, and better replacement for the Sabers. They also lack depth. There are plenty of defensively responsible players on the block they could go for that are cheaper, and if not just as good as Meier is at playing defense. Bulk up the bottom 6 and get the difference maker on the back end.

The funny thing is that he wouldn't be that much cheaper. Very great opportunity to get a great player in Timo without giving up that much.

Please actually watch the games before you comment next time. Would save me a lot of time instead of talking to someone that has no clue. At the very least spell the team's name right.
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 6 h 27
Sujet: Sabres Summer DL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>If they get pushed around by Boston, then they get a late teens pick in a stacked draft class and re-tool for next season. Even with Meier, their current D core and goalie core does not give them enough insurance to make a cinderella run.
Meier won't be the difference maker. Sure, Samuelsson, Power, and Dahlin are good, but it's still a weak D core all things considered. Their goaltending is also very iffy. And, like I said, they are in the bottom half for goals against in the league. That should tell you something.

Scoring literally isn't their issue. It's keeping the puck out of their zone/net. Meier isn't the answer. They also have players that should be getting more filled out top 6/top 9 roles next season in Peterka, Krebs, Mittlestat, Rosen, and maybe Ostlund. Meier would be taking spots away from the guys they've literally spent time trying to get developed.
Acquiring a solid, top 4 defenseman would be where they could bulk up. Same with goaltending. Luukkonen and Anderson aren't going to cut it until Levi is ready.

Not everytime a team does something, it should be attempted. "Oh, but LA did this". Cool, and Buffalo isn't LA.
LA needed scoring help, Buffalo doesn't. They need defensive help.

I'm not a Sabers fan, and I can even tell you Meier isn't the answer, same with every other Sabers fan who knows the team better than you and I.</div></div>

&gt;Meier won't be the difference maker. Sure, Samuelsson, Power, and Dahlin are good, but it's still a weak D core all things considered. Their goaltending is also very iffy. And, like I said, they are in the bottom half for goals against in the league. That should tell you something.

Goals against isn't solely a defenceman issue. That also comes from how good your forwards are defensively.

Their goaltending is fine. Been average for the season. UPL has been solid. I don't think they'd be going after a long term goalie because they wouldn't want to block Levi.

&gt;Scoring literally isn't their issue. It's keeping the puck out of their zone/net. Meier isn't the answer.

Timo isn't just a goal scorer. Idk how many times I gotta say this. He's solid defensively and can add a lot of physiciality to that top 6. Defensive play just doesn't come from defenders. They have had plenty of issues with their forwards being weak defensively. I've seen countless Sabres fans mention how they'd like a Tom Wilson guy in their lineup. Tons of armchair GMs for Jeannot. It's not just about scoring goals.

&gt; They also have players that should be getting more filled out top 6/top 9 roles next season in Peterka, Krebs, Mittlestat, Rosen, and maybe Ostlund.

I never understood this approach. Not being interested in a great player because some prospects might turn out to be a top 6 player.

They can easily go into next year with a top 9 of. That's a huge upgrade. It's gonna be some time before Rosen or Ostlund crack the lineup.

Skinner - Tage - Tuch
Timo - Cozens - Peterka
Mitts - Krebs - Quinn


&gt; Not everytime a team does something, it should be attempted. "Oh, but LA did this". Cool, and Buffalo isn't LA.
LA needed scoring help, Buffalo doesn't. They need defensive help.

You're kinda missing the point. I was addressing you saying they would be rushing the rebuild making a move like this. Their rebuild is already over if they make the playoffs. Kings weren't rushing the rebuild with a move like that.

&gt; I'm not a Sabers fan, and I can even tell you Meier isn't the answer, same with every other Sabers fan who knows the team better than you and I.

I watch the sabRes a lot and I'm very familiar with the team.
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 3 h 55
Sujet: Sabres Summer DL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>Timo would likely cost a 1st and a B-A tier prospect.
In terms of the trade you proposed, I doubt SJS really considers Savoie. He’s 5’9, and while still good, SJS would probably want a player of similar caliber to Meier to be his replacement.

Buffalo’s playoff spot isn’t secured, and the Atlantic is a tough division to be contending in. It’s unlikely they’d part with a pick that had the potential to be top 10, or at least top 15, in a draft class that’s considered to be one of the more stacked classes in years. They don’t have a reason to rush the rebuild, they are in a good position to keep their chips.

Again, their issue isn’t scoring. They sit 2nd in the league in GF, right behind Boston. But they are in the bottom half in the league for GA. If they WERE to push their chips in at this TDL, it’d be to strengthen their D core, which isn’t the greatest. It’s why they’ve been linked to several defenseman on the market. Someone like Fabbro, a right handed player, could fit the match. Even then, thats IF they become buyers which is very unlikely.</div></div>

I don't why people are acting like trading one of their many prospects + a mid teens first is rushing the rebuild or "selling the farm" as someone else said. Did Kings rush the rebuild for trading for Fiala? Or were they ready to transition from rebuilding team to a team trying to contend. Sabres clearly won't be a rebuilding team anymore after this season.

Like I said Timo isn't just a goal scorer. He brings a different type of player to that offense in an already tough physical division. This isn't a deadline move either. There is no potential to be a top 10 pick. This would be similar to the Fiala trade of Sabres having a pick in the mid / late teens and trading before draft. I think the opinions of Sabres fans might change their view on Timo if they make the playoffs and get pushed around by Boston.

Their d core of Dahlin / Samuelsson / Power is great. They just need some complimentary defenders to fill out the bottom pair. That can be addressed in FA.
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 1 h 46
Sujet: Sabres Summer DL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>Also, it'd be more wise on Buffalo's part to keep their chips and make a push. They are down 3 points from a wildcard while having 3 games in hand. If they make it, great, if not, it's a short re-tool for next season for another push. They wouldn't be able to afford Meier's QO and it wouldn't be wise to try to.

gretzkysghost is right, they need defense (not this Ekholm trade, though). Scoring isn't their issue. They could juice up the bottom 6, preferably.
Or an insurance goalie who can steal them some games to squeak in.</div></div>

I don't agree it all. They have plenty of assets and cap space. Don't be scared to upgrade your roster. They can easily afford Timo.

Timo isn't just a scorer. He's a tough physical power forward. That kind of player is missing in the Sabres lineup.
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 1 h 43
Sujet: Sabres Summer DL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gretzkyghosts</b></div><div>PhilsWeiner

Thanks for the update.
Let's also consider the trades that preceded total disasters.
Ottawa took the Penguins to OT in the 7th game of the conference finals.
Then on 2017-Nov-05 traded for Duchene and have been a rebuild since then.
Last year Philadelphia went all in and now are rebuilding.
Recently, Florida does not have a first round pick for the next three years and are a pt below the Sabres.
Columbus, sold the farm in 2019, four years later they are the worse team in the NHL.
Chicago tried to make one more run, now are in a rebuild.
Then of course my Sabres, 2015 went all in for O'Reilly, Kane, Lehner, eight years later, finally in the hunt.
Let's not forget the Bolts trading two firsts for Hagel, they are only 8 pts above the Sabres.
Considering how many teams traded away first round picks last few years, there are many more trades that failed.


All of these teams were either playoff teams or near playoff, the Sabres are not there yet.
Kings traded for Carter &amp; Richards I thought you may have added Gaborik
Pens traded for Phil Kessel yes for sure, two cups for nearly nothing.
Washington traded for Oshie
Blues traded for ROR the Blues added much more as I pointed out above.
Tampa traded for McDonagh/Sergachev Both players were steal and Miller came with Ryan. Those type of trades, would be great for Buffalo
Colorado traded for Kuemper/Toews Again great deals, Toews was bought for far less than his value.

The Sabres went down this path in 2015. Let the team grow together before adding one key piece.</div></div>

I mean I said that the pick would be mid teens. That would mean Sabres making the playoffs or barely missing. I don't advocate for trading top 10 picks like some of the trades you have listed.

A lot of these teams that you mentioned don't really fit with Buffalo. A lot were playoff teams buying rentals for playoff runs. Timo isn't a rental.

Some of the other teams (especially old Buffalo) had weak prospect pools. Sabres now don't. They can afford to make a move. Similar to the Kings last year trading for Fiala.

Sabres are kinda in that phase changing from rebuild to trying to compete. You have a deep prospect pool. This isn't "selling the farm". Shouldn't be scared to make a move.
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 10 h 29
Forum: Armchair-GM16 janv. à 14 h 52
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>someone should really teach you the weight of how contracts work, though. like, genuinely.

your only two compared players were gustafson and deangelo, which were horrible to compare durzi to because of their circumstances.

then you stupidly said “i guess if timmins gets 50 points he’ll be worth a kings ransom”. you are a clown man. you are lost in your own little toronto fantasy world where you are in an echo chamber.

I can’t wait for ghost to receive a first at the TDL.

I'm tired of running in circles with you, so I'll break it down one final time. After that. I'm done responding.
Maybe this way, it'll help you moving forward.

GM's don't value big players like YOU think they do. If you're a serviceable defenseman and can play in the top 4, regardless "uhh he big and eat minutes. small player get point not big price"
Your caveman brain needs to start clicking and you need to stop watching Cherry's podcast.

No, DeAngelo wasn't worth a 1st. He's a complete headcase who cant control his own emotions in the playoffs. Nobody wants that when its like the one thing that matters in the playoffs; being poised.
No, Gustafson was not worth a 1st. He had one good season, then sloped the next season, and was a complete and utter waste in his own end. Durzi, in that regard, is at least somewhat competent. I don't know what YOUVE been watching this season, but he's actually been playing pretty good the past 2 months.
Gustafson was also 27

If we want to expand our compared players and look at forwards, young players like Hagel will get two 1sts, despite not anyone's idea of "top players".
You want to know why? Because of contracts. I genuinely don't know why you REFUSE to grasp how contracts are valued among the league.

If a defenseman is 24, producing at a good pace, locked under a sub 2m cap hit for the next 2 seasons AND an expiring RFA,
that entire circumstance is worth a 1st MINIMUM. Seriously consider that and let it sit in your head for a couple of minutes.

No, Timmins is not worth a first right now because of a small sample size and his injury history. With a 50 point season, yeah, most likely.

You are lost, man. Absolutely lost.</div></div>

I just can't take you seriously.

Tony D &amp; Gustafson (actually pretty similar styles) are horrible comparisons but you bring up Chiarot...

You're trying so hard to win an argument and everything you say just falls flat. You just don't understand how differently GMs value offensive d men and defensive d men. It's why Colin Miller got no takers at the TDL &amp; Chiarot got a 1st. It's why Gavrikov, Schenn, and Edmundson likely will get more than Klingberg at the TDL. GMs don't base value solely on box scores. There's really nothing more that has to be said. Believe what you want.
Forum: Armchair-GM14 janv. à 9 h 9
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>Jesus man, you can’t be this dense can you?

DeAngelo isn’t the only player with attitude concerns, but he has one of the worst track records, and is a complete liability in the playoffs and under any circumstance where he’s required to remain poised. This drove his value to the ground, the same reason he had a 50pt season with the rangers and they just let him walk into the open market. are you forgetting that?

Gustafson’s production fell with a brutal shooting percentage the year after his 60pt season, and was completely lost in his own end defensively. Combine that with being 27 and a rental drove his value down.
Durzi isn’t the greatest defensively, but is nowhere near as bad as Gustafson was back then.

I just genuinely don’t think you realize it lmfao.

also

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/666928?post_id=3785333

let’s see then?</div></div>

Durzi is the same liability that DeAngelo is. You'd know that if you watched him play. He has 2x better production than Durzi so it shouldn't be an issue for him to get a 1st.

Similar production is the difference between a 1st &amp; and 3rd? How does that make sense

Congrats on Homer kings fans telling you their player is worth more than they actually are.

The same guy that told me Henrik Borgstrom is worth more than Dylan Cozens a year ago lmao. Might have the worst takes on this site.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. à 19 h 2
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>Thanks for continuing to prove you're a hypocrite not capable of listening to other points or critically thinking. I'm also convinced you can't read.

"Ok I'll make an armchair GM trading Timmins for a 1st. I'm sure everyone will agree"
I never said his value was a first at this moment? He's near PPG right now, and if you can read, I said if he finishes the season with the same level of production, his value will drive itself up. Especially for him only being 24.

"I don't care if you don't value hits. GMs do. Big physical d man are harder to find than smaller puck movers."
Blatantly wrong. Physical, stay at home defenseman are much more common than productive puck movers. But, I literally explained to you how both of those type of players are on opposite ends of the spectrum. If there is a need for either, the value will always be there/

"Why didn't those guys get 1sts? Tony D had 50 points in 60 games? Easily a 1st no?"
If you looked at my other reply, I told you why DeAngelo and Gustafson didn't receive firsts.
Here it is:

"DeAngelo has an attitude problem (I'm hoping you at least know THIS), which visibly carried over in Carolina. He also had some iffy moments in the playoffs where he let his attitude get the better of him, and it cost his team in moments. (shooting the puck in the net after the whistle blew, throwing his stick at marchand, his blatant cross check on Lazar after the whistle blew)
With him, you're getting a talented PP quarterback, but his personality is a major question mark, which lowered his value. Teams didn't want to pay big price for him because of his brutal track record, and STILL received a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, which is no small price.

Gustafson is similar to Durzi, but not quite. His 60pt season in Chicago saw him shooting at a whopping 10.8%, which is pretty high for a defenseman, especially of his caliber.
The season after, which he was traded, saw his numbers fall back down to earth. A 6.1 shooting% and 26pts in 59 games. Very easy to tell his one season may have been a fluke. All of this, while having terrible defensive metrics, worse than Durzi.
In the same season he was traded, he was also 27 years old, which makes him....wait for it... a rental. I don't know if you're aware, but there's a massive difference between a 27 year old TDL rental and a 24 year old expiring RFA locked in at a multi-year deal."


You're just making yourself look more ignorant.</div></div>



Why wouldn't it be? He's on pace for 60 points. Puck moving guy that's team control. If he finishes the season with the same production he'd be worth multiple 1sts.

"Blatantly wrong. Physical, stay at home defenseman are much more common than productive puck movers."

They're not. Big stay at home guys that can play big minutes are hard to find. You can find smaller offensive puck movers much easier. AHL is filled with them.

"DeAngelo has an attitude problem (I'm hoping you at least know THIS), which visibly carried over in Carolina. He also had some iffy moments in the playoffs where he let his attitude get the better of him, and it cost his team in moments. (shooting the puck in the net after the whistle blew, throwing his stick at marchand, his blatant cross check on Lazar after the whistle blew)"

If GMs valued d men like you apparently do he'd be worth multiple 1sts. He's not the only guy with some attitude concerns in NHL history. GMs usually don't care. C'mon Mr. Evander Kane you should know that.

"Gustafson is similar to Durzi, but not quite. His 60pt season in Chicago saw him shooting at a whopping 10.8%, which is pretty high for a defenseman, especially of his caliber.
The season after, which he was traded, saw his numbers fall back down to earth. A 6.1 shooting% and 26pts in 59 games. Very easy to tell his one season may have been a fluke. All of this, while having terrible defensive metrics, worse than Durzi."

26 points in 59 games is pretty close to where Durzi is right now when you adjust for the higher scoring. Why wouldn't he be way more than a 3rd?

You can even add Justin Schultz to the discussion. Young guy. RFA. Cheap contract. Why did he just get a 3rd?

" he was also 27 years old, which makes him....wait for it... a rental."

Why would that matter? Chiarot was a rental. He got a 1st. Why did he get a 3rd and Chiarot got a 1st?

Hear me out. GMs don't value guys like this that highly. Idk maybe im crazy.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. à 17 h 33
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>Also,
I don't know if you're being dense on purpose, or trying to prove some sort of a point,

But Barrie is older, more expensive and worse defensively than Durzi. No team is interested in Barrie. His game is also progressively getting worse as he ages.

Also stop bringing up hits as if that says much? Players like Chiarot or Romanov are on opposite sides of the defensive spectrum to Durzi. Both types of players can fetch big prices if the need is there. If a team wants a big, stay at home player, they'll pay up. If a team wants a smaller, puck mover, they'll pay up.

Also also... haha... funny Timmins comment. His value was close to 0 because that's simply what he was worth at the time he was traded. He's producing well on Toronto, great. If his production carries over at the end of the season and into the playoffs, it'll definitely drive up his value (if dubas somehow wanted to flip him). Young, cheap, and point producing.

It's just the inability to see both sides for you, at this point.</div></div>

Why didn't those guys get 1sts? Tony D had 50 points in 60 games? Easily a 1st no?

I don't care if you don't value hits. GMs do. Big physical d man are harder to find than smaller puck movers.

Ok I'll make an armchair GM trading Timmins for a 1st. I'm sure everyone will agree.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. à 15 h 12
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>Alright lets break it down for you then? You might need to hear some of these points again

I don't know why you used Barrie to make me look bad? Barrie and Durzi are two completely different players.
Barrie 31 making 4.5m and Durzi is 24 making 1.7m and an expiring RFA after next season. Barrie won't catch EDM a first. I know that?

Also, since you think I'M throwing out context, you seem to forget two MAJOR (I'll say it again, MAJOR) factors in keeping Durzi's price high. Yet, you've never acknowledged it?
He's very team friendly and has a ton of cap control. 1.7m until after next season and an expiring RFA. If LA WAS to put him on the market, this wouldn't be a TDL rental. He would be a literal investment a team would make on him. Not to mention, he's right handed and can play on both defensive sides. Which many teams at this moment are heavily interested in. That alone drives his price higher. Throwing context out? Kind of hypocritical of you DongLord.

You seem to be clinging on to Gustafson and DeAngelo, so lets go over some other defenseman in comparable, all who got their teams big packages.
Romanov received a 1st. (Definitely didn't stand out on Montreal, but he was young and cheap, very big factors in driving that value)
Ristolainen, not too long ago, received a first and a second. (Risto was an average 40pt defenseman with terrible defensive metrics, and still got a pretty package, and around the time he was traded, he somehow looked worse)
Brady Skjei, at the 2020 deadline received a 1st. (was an average 20pt back end player with average defensive numbers, not a whole lot better than Durzi. He's stepped his game up drastically in Carolina, but we're speaking when he was traded)
Nils Lundqvist received a 1st (even if he logged 13 minutes per night, he still looked iffy on what was a stacked NYR team. Teams weren't willing to bite on a 22 year old whos game <em>might</em> not translate to american ice. only two years younger than durzi and both have around a similar ceiling. but he still got his package when everybody assumed he'd be worth only a 2nd or a middle 6 forward.
What about David Savard? Arguable even WORSE at what he does than Chiarot and received a 1st AND a 2nd? Was a -19 on CBJ before he was traded and ended up being a -8 on tampa (since you like using +/-)
Or how Fabbro, if sold, will probably snag Nashville a late 1st?

In the eyes of everybody else BESIDES you...
you're just wrong my friend.</div></div>

DeAngelo was an RFA &amp; Gustafson was making 1.2M? Why didn't they get 1sts?

Barrie is on pace for 55-60 points? Why wouldn't he get a 1st?



"You seem to be clinging on to Gustafson and DeAngelo, so lets go over some other defenseman in comparable, all who got their teams big packages.
Romanov received a 1st. (Definitely didn't stand out on Montreal, but he was young and cheap, very big factors in driving that value)
Ristolainen, not too long ago, received a first and a second. (Risto was an average 40pt defenseman with terrible defensive metrics, and still got a pretty package, and around the time he was traded, he somehow looked worse)
Brady Skjei, at the 2020 deadline received a 1st. (was an average 20pt back end player with average defensive numbers, not a whole lot better than Durzi. He's stepped his game up drastically in Carolina, but we're speaking when he was traded)
Nils Lundqvist received a 1st (even if he logged 13 minutes per night, he still looked iffy on what was a stacked NYR team. Teams weren't willing to bite on a 22 year old whos game might not translate to american ice. only two years younger than durzi and both have around a similar ceiling. but he still got his package when everybody assumed he'd be worth only a 2nd or a middle 6 forward.
What about David Savard? Arguable even WORSE at what he does than Chiarot and received a 1st AND a 2nd? Was a -19 on CBJ before he was traded and ended up being a -8 on tampa (since you like using +/-)
Or how Fabbro, if sold, will probably snag Nashville a late 1st?"

You literally just repeated what the other guy said that I already responded to. I'll repeat the same response

&gt; This is when I can tell someone doesn't watch games lol. Just blindly comparing d men who are very different from each other. Durzi isn't some big physical 6'5 guy that GMs drool over (Risto). He's not a defensive d man that has almost more hits this season than durzi has in his career (Romanov). He isn't 22 years old prospect that won SHL d men of the year (Lundqivst).

The man that thinks every defenceman that is on pace for 40 points is worth a 1st lmao. I'll call up Dubas and let him know to trade Timmins for a first+ at the deadline. I mean he's got team control and 10 points in 13 games. On pace for 60 points. Should get a kings ransom.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. à 13 h 35
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>You’ve ignored everything two people have put in front of you and doubled down on Durzi not being worth a first because he’s not a big hitter like chiarot.

Durzi is worth what teams would be willing to pay for a 24 year old, 40-45 pace puck mover with MULTIPLE years of cheap, cap control would fetch LA a first.
If fabbro is close to catching nashville a high tier second or a low end first, and all he’s done has ride on josi’s back since his time in nashville, durzi will be MUCH more valuable.
durzi is worth a 1st.</div></div>

How did I ignore It when I literally explained how they were different? You make no sense. I explained to you why GMs value guys like Chiarot and you dont want to believe it because "points" and at the same time ignore guys like DeAngelo (who was almost PPG) &amp; Gustafson not getting 1sts. It's clear you want to throw any context out the window because it hurts your argument.

Actually watch the guy play before you go "40-45 points must be a FIRST" like a parrot. You should go let Holland know that he can get a 1st+ for Tyson Barrie.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. à 9 h 38
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>SHL defenceman of the year at 19 but was near invisible in his 20 games with the rangers. wouldn’t that explain why a team took so long to bite on a trade? his big risk factor? still caught him a first. you know what you’re getting with durzi. 40-45 point defenceman with a ton of cap control.

also yeah… seems like Chiarot is REALLY useful right now deployed really well and <em>really</em> helping further Mo’s development 😭 come on man.

Durzi is worth a 1st.</div></div>

Lundqvist played 13 minutes at 21 years old on a team with a terrible track record of developing prospects. He was still considered a valuable prospects with a high ceiling.

"also yeah… seems like Chiarot is REALLY useful right now deployed really well and really helping further Mo’s development 😭 come on man. " Nobody said anything about how Chiarot is playing right now. I'm talking about why he was valued by GMs. It seems like all you do is just misrepresent arguments instead of addressing what I actually said.

How GMs value players is much more than just looking at box scores, especially for d men.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. à 15 h 55
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>dannibalcorpse literally just gave you facts and you chose to ignore him blindly. He gave you multiple defensemen above all who fetched big prices who were arguable worse, older, and more expensive than Durzi currently is.

"Chiarot was a big physical minute eater" Yeah, who was.. and is... terrible defensively. And that's like, SUPPOSED to be what he's good at, and he fetched a big price. He fetched his price because the Panthers needed him. In the same regard, if a team needed a young, cheap puck mover, Durzi could also easily catch a first.
You're putting Durzi WAYY too low because he doesn't hit? Thats your stick?



refer to this^

Lundqvist, super offensively minded while not really been proven to be good defensively. (or proven at all, only a 20+ game sample size. big risk) 1st round pick.
Romanov, while more defensive, never really impressed all that well with his time in Montreal. 1st round pick.

You are simply wrong.</div></div>

He listed random defenceman lmao. All who are very different from each other. I listed why they are different.

""Chiarot was a big physical minute eater" Yeah, who was.. and is... terrible defensively." You want to ignore what GMs value in players. They like size. They like guys that play big minutes. They like guys that are extremely physical. These guys can play anywhere in the lineup. That's why playoff teams want them. They don't need PP time. Durzi does. He needs specific deployment to be useful. Playoff teams already have PP QBs.

Lundqvist is 22 years old and was SHL d man of the year at 19 years old. That's why he was highly sought after. He was a very good prospect.

Seems like you want to throw all context out the window to fit your arguments.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. à 7 h 17
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EvanderKanesLawyer</b></div><div>Yes, because +/- is such a reliable strat. Tell me, which defensemen have gotten way less? Because I’m looking at the package a player like Chiarot got, and he’s god awful. Or the package Ekholm will probably receive?

Durzi is a puck mover. He’s young, cheap, and could very easily fetch LA a first if they somehow decide to move him this season.

Is this jealousy because the leafs got rid of him?</div></div>

Chiarot was a big physical minute eater that just averaged 25+ minutes on a stanley cup team. Just stop with the bad comparisons.

D men like Durzi are among the most easiest to find. This is like Hawks fans telling me Gustafson was worth a 1st because of his 60 point season when he only got a 3rd. DeAngelo who is a far better player offensively got a 2nd + 3rd.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. à 7 h 13
Sujet: Gibson Edmundson Lauzon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>Saying his +/- is worst on the team is bad enough to begin with, but when you look at this example you can see exactly why it's such a terrible stat. He's a -9 through 41 GP on a team where only 6 of the 27 skaters who've had ice time this year are +s (and one of those is +1 Tobias Bjornfot, in his 4 GP). The fact that LA is basically even in scoring as a team (89-86 even strength GF-GA) points more to random luck than any sort of statistical significance. You might have a case if he was something like -25 and the rest of the team was all +10, but no, this is just statistical noise and probably the worst use of +/- I've seen in a while.

Alex Romanov just got traded for a 1st at this year's draft after putting up 19 points in 133 GP. Nils Lundkvist got flipped out for a 1st &amp; a 4th after 4 whole points in 25 GP with the Rangers. 2 summers ago Rasmus Ristolainen got a 1st &amp; a 2nd. Brady Skjei got traded straight up for a 1st at the 2020 deadline. All these guys are either guys who had less of a track record than Durzi or had a similar track record but a much heavier cap hit. It's not insane to say that a 24 year old LHD making less than $2M and scoring at a 45 point pace would get back a 1st round pick.</div></div>

This is when I can tell someone doesn't watch games lol. Just blindly comparing d men who are very different from each other. Durzi isn't some big physical 6'5 guy that GMs drool over. He's not a defensive d man that has almost more hits this season than durzi has in his career. He isn't 22 years old prospect that won SHL d men of the year.

Durzi is a mistake machine who gets most of his points from secondary assists. This is prime example of someone just looking at box scores and not knowing anything about the player. You probably thought Will Butcher was worth a 1st lol because he had points..