easy pass for New York. Islanders have at least comparable LD3s in Sebatsian Aho/Robin Salo now, wouldn't need the retention, and woulnd't give up a solid all-around player making the minimum like Zach Parise.

Probably fair value for Smith but no idea if Washington wants to make that kinda move this year

That Mike Reilly for Parise and a third deal just screams homer. I wouldn’t take Mike Reilly’s contract for a third. Much less give up a pick for 500 K retention, and give up a good veteran in the process. What a joke!

Relax, Parise is 38yo third liner.

Reilly is a bum bro. Parise is a good depth player.

Reilly's more valuable but nice try

Reilly cleared waivers lmao. Parise is averaging half a PPG and has at least one GWG.

Don’t be a homer bro.

Praise is 38, but he also makes $2.25mil less than Reilly and is actually really good for what his role on the team is

And Reilly's a guy who's cleared waivers twice this season already. He's obviously not worth the $3M he's getting, while Parise is a guy that's put up about 0.5 PPG this year, plays all three phases of the game decently well, and makes the league minimum.

Parise gives you surplus value on his deal; Reilly is stuck in the AHL and would have to do a lot of work to make up that $3M AAV. I think most objective sources would agree that Parise is more valuable than Reilly, especially considering their cap hits.

There's no way Reilly is more valuable than Parise. No way.

Cap wise, Parise has the edge but on the ice, Reilly is more valuable.

I really want to know what kind of metric, or stat, or whatever you're using to back this point up.

Reilly played 10 games before being sent down (again). He averaged 16:44 every night, started nearly 70% of his shifts in the O-zone *and * got PP2 time, and managed one secondary assist in that time.

Parise has played 17 games for the Islanders, nearly matches Reilly in TOI despite being a forward (16:30), plays all 3 phases (1:33 PP TOI/2:35 PK TOI), starts 56% of his time in the defensive zone, and still has 5 goals and 8 points in that time.

And once again, Parise is outplaying Reilly's numbers while literally costing 1/4 of the cap. Even if the two had *identical* numbers, Parise would be more valuable in a flat-cap world. The fact that his production is that much stronger than Reilly's makes it a slam-dunk that he's the more valuable player. If you have -anything- you can bring to contradict that point, by all means, do so - but I'm going to guess that you don't have anything because there really isn't anything that would back that up.

A 10-15 game sample size is too short (unless you want to say Kirby Dach is better than Ryan O'Reilly). A 100+ game sample size is better so let's use the past two seasons.

Using Wins Above Replacement, Goals Above Replacement and Standing Points Above Replacement from Evolving-Hockey:

Reilly
20-21: 55 GP, 9 GAR, 1.6 WAR, 3 SPAR
4.5 Expected GAR, 0.8 Expected WAR, 1.5 Expected SPAR
Value $6.8M

21-22: 70 GP, 2.3 GAR, 0.4 WAR, 0.8 SPAR
5.3 xGAR, 0.9 xWAR, 1.8 xSPAR
Value: $1.4M

Parise
20-21: 45 GP, 4.7 GAR, 0.8 WAR, 1.6 SPAR
0.8 xGAR, 0.1 xWAR, 0.3 xSPAR
Value: $2.7M

21-22: 82 GP, 4.1 GAR, 0.7 WAR, 1.4 SPAR
1.6 xGAR, 0.3 xWAR, 0.5 xSPAR
Value: $2.6M


Combined:
Reilly: 125 GP, 11.3 GAR, 2 WAR, 3.8 SPAR, 9.8 xGAR, 1.7 xWAR, 3.3 xSPAR
Parise: 127 GP, 8.8 GAR, 1.5 WAR, 3 SPAR, 2.4 xGAR, 0.4 xWAR, 0.8 xSPAR

Reilly has been more valuable over the past two seasons. Reilly is only in the AHL because of Bruins' cap issues and their questionable decision to waive him over other players but he's a great 3rd pair, fringe 2nd pair D. I hope Parise is 0.50 pts/GP while playing with Barzal which is not his actual level of play (1st liner). Reilly would crush it too if he played with McAvoy.

Parise's most common even strength linemates have been JG Pageau & Kyle Palmieri, not Mat Barzal - the Islanders' 3rd line. He had some run with Barzal for a couple games earlier in the year but has mainly been with those guys this season.

And almost all of Reilly's value comes from his 2020-21 season here - Parise was nearly twice as valuable as Reilly last season. Reilly spent nearly 3/4 of the 20-21 bubble season playing on the Senators before being traded, and while we could argue back and forth about it (I don't think there'd be anyway to fully parse it, at least not one that could be done fairly quickly), I'd wager that a lot of his value came from playing on the top pair in a division stacked with some of the worst defensive teams in the NHL that year.

Even beyond the bubble weirdness, teams are going to place more value on last year's numbers than two years ago. And last year Reilly's value was $1.4M on a $3M AAV, while Parise's was $2.6M on a $750K deal.