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Talbot to Vegas 2

Créé par: gavinray
Équipe: 2022-23 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 29 août 2022
Publié: 29 août 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Brännström, Erik [Droits de RFA]
  2. Talbot, Cam (1 000 000 $ retained)
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29 août 2022 à 15 h 10
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I really like the trade and hope that something like this is proposed to Vegas.
In the limited time I have viewed Whitecloud I really like his transition game.
29 août 2022 à 15 h 25
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Quoting: prostyle
I really like the trade and hope that something like this is proposed to Vegas.
In the limited time I have viewed Whitecloud I really like his transition game.


LOL There is ZERO chance Vegas would do something like that. This trade favors OTT wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than Vegas.
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29 août 2022 à 15 h 31
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LOL There is ZERO chance Vegas would do something like that. This trade favors OTT wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than Vegas.


Thompson has played 20 NHL games. Talbot is a starting goaltender that Vegas is in need of. Plus his deal ends after 1 year when Lehner will return. Branny had more minutes than Whitecloud did and is still a 22 year old young Dman. I think it's pretty fair for both sides.
29 août 2022 à 15 h 37
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Thompson has played 20 NHL games. Talbot is a starting goaltender that Vegas is in need of. Plus his deal ends after 1 year when Lehner will return. Branny had more minutes than Whitecloud did and is still a 22 year old young Dman. I think it's pretty fair for both sides.


100% wrong. Just a terrible take and logic.

Whitecloud is young burgeoning RHD on a cheap contract. If Branny has more minutes then just keep him, right? Why trade him? Your'e trading him because Whitecloud is better and helps you RIGHT NOW.

Talbot is goalie that's aging out and Thompson is a young future starting goalie. Why would Vegas move a young cheap starting goalie?
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29 août 2022 à 15 h 42
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Thompson has played 20 NHL games. Talbot is a starting goaltender that Vegas is in need of. Plus his deal ends after 1 year when Lehner will return. Branny had more minutes than Whitecloud did and is still a 22 year old young Dman. I think it's pretty fair for both sides.


Thompson is signed @ 766k for 3 years, Whitecloud is signed to a good deal for 6 years. Brannstrom only played more minutes because Whitecloud is behind Pietro and Theodore.

There is no reason for Vegas to make this trade.
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29 août 2022 à 15 h 46
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100% wrong. Just a terrible take and logic.

Whitecloud is young burgeoning RHD on a cheap contract. If Branny has more minutes then just keep him, right? Why trade him? Your'e trading him because Whitecloud is better and helps you RIGHT NOW.

Talbot is goalie that's aging out and Thompson is a young future starting goalie. Why would Vegas move a young cheap starting goalie?



Because Brannstrom has potential to be better but we're trying to win now. Also different types of players. We're looking for a right shot Dman to be a stay at home defender.

Talbot helps Vegas win now. They need a guy who can reasonably play 50 games a season and put up decent numbers.
How is Thompson a starting goaltender??? He's played 20 NHL games LOL
29 août 2022 à 15 h 49
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Because Brannstrom has potential to be better but we're trying to win now. Also different types of players. We're looking for a right shot Dman to be a stay at home defender.

Talbot helps Vegas win now. They need a guy who can reasonably play 50 games a season and put up decent numbers.
How is Thompson a starting goaltender??? He's played 20 NHL games LOL


Vegas is also looking to win now, so moving Whitecloud makes zero sense, so at least you see now that you're wrong.

Thompson is developing. You realize he's just making his way into the NHL, right? Teams aren't just moving goalie prospects on his level.

These moves makes sense for OTT, not Vegas. They make sense to you because they have pieces you want. These are not mutually beneficial trades.
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29 août 2022 à 15 h 57
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Vegas is also looking to win now, so moving Whitecloud makes zero sense, so at least you see now that you're wrong.

Thompson is developing. You realize he's just making his way into the NHL, right? Teams aren't just moving goalie prospects on his level.

These moves makes sense for OTT, not Vegas. They make sense to you because they have pieces you want. These are not mutually beneficial trades.


Sigh. Both teams want to win now. Ottawa has a hole at RD but two starting goalies. Vegas has a hole at 1G but good defensive depth.
Ottawa gets the better dman now and give up a younger dman with more potential. Vegas gets the better goalie now and give up a younger goalie with more potential.
I'm not sure how much simpler I can make it for you.
29 août 2022 à 16 h 3
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Sigh. Both teams want to win now. Ottawa has a hole at RD but two starting goalies. Vegas has a hole at 1G but good defensive depth.
Ottawa gets the better dman now and give up a younger dman with more potential. Vegas gets the better goalie now and give up a younger goalie with more potential.
I'm not sure how much simpler I can make it for you.


Are you really this blind? You just said both Vegas and Ottawa want to win NOW, but OTT gets the better dman now? Why would Vegas do that when they also want to win now?

Talbot is a mediocre starter and they're trading a VERY GOOD goalie prospect to get by for one season? Nope. Also, OTT has ZERO chance of winning now. They know they're still a few years away.

I can't make this any more obvious for you. You should really delete your account and give up. You're bad at this.
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29 août 2022 à 16 h 11
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Are you really this blind? You just said both Vegas and Ottawa want to win NOW, but OTT gets the better dman now? Why would Vegas do that when they also want to win now?

Talbot is a mediocre starter and they're trading a VERY GOOD goalie prospect to get by for one season? Nope. Also, OTT has ZERO chance of winning now. They know they're still a few years away.

I can't make this any more obvious for you. You should really delete your account and give up. You're bad at this.


that was a bit harsh!
I Agree this never happens unless Vegas likes getting Fleeced. but I get he wasn't trying to be so 1 sided, but fans get biased and over value their own while undervaluing others needs and expectations.
constructive criticisms should be encouraged but rudeness shouldn't be ok!
29 août 2022 à 16 h 13
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Are you really this blind? You just said both Vegas and Ottawa want to win NOW, but OTT gets the better dman now? Why would Vegas do that when they also want to win now?

Talbot is a mediocre starter and they're trading a VERY GOOD goalie prospect to get by for one season? Nope. Also, OTT has ZERO chance of winning now. They know they're still a few years away.

I can't make this any more obvious for you. You should really delete your account and give up. You're bad at this.


Because they have a hole at G since Lehner is out for a year? They're relying on two guys who played 19 and 24 games last season.
It makes sense to me to trade your 5/6 defender for a starting goalie esp when getting back a 22 year old dman with potential who can fill that role and may be better in years to come.
You're actually a child LOL
29 août 2022 à 16 h 13
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Hey, how about this? The Pens want to win now. We could really use a good young forward. We'll trade you Alex Nylander for Stutzle. Nylander has a good season under his belt in the NHL and then got injured, but he should be good to go. Stutzle is the better player, but this lets us win now and you can win later.
29 août 2022 à 16 h 14
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Because they have a hole at G since Lehner is out for a year? They're relying on two guys who played 19 and 24 games last season.
It makes sense to me to trade your 5/6 defender for a starting goalie esp when getting back a 22 year old dman with potential who can fill that role and may be better in years to come.
You're actually a child LOL


But they don't need to auction off their future when there are other fixes to help to find someone to share the net with Thompson lol

There are other goalies they can get where they don't have to trade away their future in net.
29 août 2022 à 16 h 17
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that was a bit harsh!
I Agree this never happens unless Vegas likes getting Fleeced. but I get he wasn't trying to be so 1 sided, but fans get biased and over value their own while undervaluing others needs and expectations.
constructive criticisms should be encouraged but rudeness shouldn't be ok!


If you read back I tried, but this guy is out of his mind.
29 août 2022 à 16 h 21
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If you read back I tried, but this guy is out of his mind.


that's fair, sorry! I run into a lot of bone headed guys on here i try and ignore them.
I had one guy who literally followed my posts just to argue with whatever I said.
29 août 2022 à 16 h 26
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that's fair, sorry! I run into a lot of bone headed guys on here i try and ignore them.
I had one guy who literally followed my posts just to argue with whatever I said.


His argument is literally that he just wants the better player.
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29 août 2022 à 16 h 40
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His argument is literally that he just wants the better player.


LOL don't we all!
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29 août 2022 à 16 h 47
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LOL don't we all!


LOL Yup!
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29 août 2022 à 18 h 26
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Yeah vegas is going to easily pass. Grand total of 3.5 million for the next 3 years on Whitecloud and Thompson. It’s very clear why you would want that lol
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29 août 2022 à 18 h 36
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LOL There is ZERO chance Vegas would do something like that. This trade favors OTT wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than Vegas.


I never said that it was a fair trade. I would be willing to throw in more as an Ottawa GM. My point was that I really like Whitecloud and the starting pieces of the trade make sense.
29 août 2022 à 21 h 51
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I never said that it was a fair trade. I would be willing to throw in more as an Ottawa GM. My point was that I really like Whitecloud and the starting pieces of the trade make sense.


Lots of teams would like Whitecloud lol

Vegas ain't moving him for anything.
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30 août 2022 à 0 h 10
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Lots of teams would like Whitecloud lol

Vegas ain't moving him for anything.


There’s apparently a tree that grows RHD that have a good two way game for under 3 million thru their prime somewhere.
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30 août 2022 à 9 h 21
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There’s apparently a tree that grows RHD that have a good two way game for under 3 million thru their prime somewhere.


Right? lol
 
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