Good one 👍

Now you’re just saying completely untrue and irrelevant stuff. I get you’re hyper protective over Jack Hughes, but he isn’t a top 10 center in the league. Maybe not even top 15. He has to do a lot better than a good 49 game season to be valued this high

Exactly. Hughes broke out this past season, as as great that is for him you are completely dismissing his career 0.65 PPG after 2 mediocre previous seasons

This is a really poor argument.
Podkolzin was still in KHL in 2019-20 and 2020-21.
Hughes produced more in the NHL in those seasons than Podkolzin did in lesser league.

But the guy that was 0.29 ppg in KHL during those seasons is elite.
And Hughes is the bust. I got it.

On a per-game basis, Hughes scored as much as Pettersson and Hoglander COMBINED.
But yeah, those two are better.

Podkolzin as a teenager was getting like 6 minutes a night in a mens league not sure how good you want a kid to do in the KHL. The KHL is terrible for rookie development…

Never said he was elite… or that Hughes is a bust. You’re just severely overvaluing Hughes and severely underrating Vancouvers players.

The other guy did in #24

And you’re asking for the moon for 0.65 points per game?

We gonna completely disregard the rest of Pettersson’s career? I think I’d rather take Calder winner, 0.93 points per game in the first three seasons Elias Pettersson over Mr. worst rookie season by a first overall ever. I guess you also are gonna disregard that Pettersson was playing injured for the first half of the season. In his last 40 games, he had 49 points which is better than Jack’s 56 in 49

Hughes was a teenager and was 15th on team in TOI.

There really isn't a debate here.

Clearly you need to take some reading lessons if you’re going to say that. I never said he was elite. I said there is nothing stopping him from being elite in the future.

Are you going to blame Podkolzin for not being rushed into the NHL? I think it would’ve been best if Hughes wasn’t a teenager in his rookie season.

Even this past season, Podkolzin was getting very limited minutes often. He still put up twice the amount of goals Hughes did in his rookie season. Again, I’m not saying he’s better but to call a player something like “scrap parts” when he is having a better career trajectory is a little foolish don’t you think? Especially when they are adding much much much more on top of that

Might need to add. The moon 1 for 1 isn’t enough

So you guys are going to penalize Hughes for being rushed into NHL?

If he had gone to Michigan for two years and now stood at career 1.14 ppg...you'd still compare Podkolzin to him?



"I'm not saying Podkolzin is better, but I am saying Podkolzin is better"

If Hughes put up over a point per game in his rookie season. I’ll give him all the recognition and praise he deserves. That unfortunately is not the case. I’m also NOT saying Podkolzin is better. How are you not understanding? I’m saying that Podkolzin can definitely also become an elite player. If he breaks out like Hughes did, would you consider him as another “scrap part?”

This guy doesn’t see the bigger picture of what we’re saying. Not even worth it to respond when everything he comes back at is just “Hughes better than podkolzin!!!” And completely disregarding the fact that we’re trying to show the value of our players who he said he wouldn’t trade for WITH pettersson and 3 picks in the first 2 rounds.

Hoglander
2020-21: 0.48 ppg
2021-22: 0.30 ppg
But ignore the trajectory.

Pettersson
2018-20: 0.98 ppg
2020-22: 0.84 ppg
But ignore the trajectory.

Hughes
2019-20: 0.34 ppg
2020-21: 0.55 ppg
2021-22: 1.14 ppg
But ignore the trajectory.

Podkolzin
2019-20: 0.27 ppg (KHL)
2020-21: 0.31 ppg (KHL)
2021-22: 0.33 ppg (NHL)
That trajectory is better than Hughes




Got it.

You really don’t want to compare Hughes with Pettersson. You won’t come out on top trust me. There is simply no argument there. Once again, you’re missing my point. My point is, Podkolzin is one breakout away from potentially being a very good to elite player in this league and you’re calling him scrap parts. Maybe go back to elementary school where they teach you to read and maybe your parents can help you manage your emotions

Hughes is better than Pettersson though, and younger. If I had to build a franchise around one of them, it's Hughes every day of the week without thinking twice.

You have to back that up a lot. He had a good 49 games. Petterssons was better in the second half of the season. Pettersson has a Calder trophy. Hughes had 7 goals and 21 points as a rookie. There is 0 argument to be made here. Bias bias bias bias bias. I can’t take you seriously

There's plenty to back it up, just look at anything analytical and it favors Hughes. Then actual production, Pettersson has yet to produce at a PPG pace while Hughes has just done so in his age 20 season. Hughes is likely going to remain a PPG or better player for his entire contract at the absolute minimum. 8M is a huge steal for what he is trendinf towards being.

Hughes was one of the worst analytical players in the league leading up to this season. Your first point is invalid. Pettersson is Atleast consistent and has basically been a point per game. If you want to get that picky, I will bring up advanced stats to show you. Saying Pettersson won’t also remain a point per game is foolish. He had 68 points in 80 games despite starting the year off playing injured. Hughes didn’t even play a full season. He had 56 points in 49 games. That’s a 1.14 point per game average. Pettersson put up 49 points in 40 games in the second half of the seasons. That’s a 1.22 point per game average. Better than Hughes. Your point therefore is also invalid. Try again, this is amusing, like a dog trying to impress its owner

What were their ages when they were rookies? Context, context, context