Let's start things off with the current impasse between Cheveldayoff and Hughes. Until the Jets back down from their rumored asking price of a 1 for 1, Suzuki for PLD, nothing will get done and PLD will remain a Jet and MTL will wait 2 years. At the moment there's no reason for WIN to back down from those demands, but since this is cap friendly, let's deal with the hypothetical that Cheveldayoff is ok with a package deal now.
Habs would essentially be looking at purchasing 2 years worth of Dubois. Now this is still incredibly expensive for a 24 year old top 6 Center. So, IMO, MTL would need to include 1 or 2 "premium" assets + non-cap dump roster player(s) to make a deal acceptable for the Jets to budge.
So let's determine what are the untouchables and the "premium" assets for the Habs (all prospects picked in the 2022 draft have been excluded) :
Untouchables / deal breakers:
- Nick Suzuki
- Cole Caufield
- MTL 2023 1st rd pick unprotected. (Let's all be honest here, there is a zero % chance MTL offers their 1st with no protection)
- MTL 2024 1st rd pick unprotected. (This one could possibly fall into the "premium" asset section, not sure yet)
"Premium" assets:
- MTL 2023 1st rd pick (top 10 protected).
- MTL 2024 1st rd pick (top 5 protected. Lowered the protection amount since 2023 draft is considered a super draft).
- FLA 2023 1st rd pick unprotected. Odds are that it will be a late 1st (20s +).
- Kaiden Guhle
- Kirby Dach (even though he's a roster player, I'm including him in the "premium" asset section due to his age, and what the Habs paid to acquire him)
- Justin Barron
- Sean Farrell
For Clarification, not all the "preimum" assets are of equal worth. But I firmly believe this is the cream of the Habs crop (again, excluding 2022 draft choices...so far Slafkovsky and even Hutson would fall in the untouchable category, with maybe Mesar in the "premium" assets)
Habs still have plenty of other "solid" assets (Mailloux, Harris, Roy, Primeau, Kidney, Norlinder, Xhekaj, and all their 2nd rd picks), but none of these would really move the needle with regards to a trade for PLD.
Establishing non cap dump roster players that the Jets would be interested in....the only players I can think of are Dvorak, Anderson and Evans honestly.... Maybe Jets fans could add other players they would consider in this category?
After all this 1 or 2 more roster players would still need to be added to even out salary cap issues (Armia? Drouin?), but keep in mind these players would not add much value to the trade.
LMAO, I am honestly surprised that you think its not awful, we have almost always disagreed on everything. I guess if we can agree then there is hope both GM's will also find common ground LOL
Well you got Kidney and Barron plus a first in there which is what I think would be good value for PLD. Dvorak in this situation doesn't add much value paired with Armia to make the cap work. Plus they would need to shed cap to make PLD work, and if we have learnt anything so far this offseason is that no one is taking on much cap for cheap.
Excellent write up. I think the way I'm looking at it right now as non Jets/non Habs fan is this way:
Winnipeg needs to set a price and stick to it. I've heard the "He wants to go to Montreal!", "He's going to Montreal as a UFA in 2 years!", and "Winnipeg has no leverage!", but they've also got 2 years of control. If this is the price they've set, great, do it. If not, don't. Dubois is a 24 year old center that has absolutely no trade protection. If someone comes along and offers what you want, take it from them. Even with only 2 years, he still holds a ton of value to a playoff team, and they can just let him walk in 2 years. When you look at rental prices, the deadline this past year saw an absolute boatload going back for a number of rentals, so I'd be curious to see what 1.25 years of Dubois could even bring back.
All of that being said, he also completely quit on the Jackets before he was moved, so there's potential for him to do it again (in which case buyer friggin' beware! Imagine what happens in Montreal when he has a couple of bad weeks and the fans/media rip his soul out!).
I don't know...I guess it all depends on what they're actually looking for.
Cheers!
It's too much. Drouin stock was quite high in 2017 coming off that fantastic playoffs in 2016 being almost a point per game and Montreal thought they were buying a center. Because of his attitude issues, he was sold low by Yzerman. That is what Chevy will have to accept. They got Sergachev whom was just drafted at 9 that looked like a top4 D but not top pair at the time. And, a conditional 2nd that wasnt realized
If you include Dach it will be Dach for PLD 1 for 1. If you don't include him it's the Florida 1st, salary and a decent top9 center coming back like Dvorak and a prospect like Hutson
Well you got Kidney and Barron plus a first in there which is what I think would be good value for PLD. Dvorak in this situation doesn't add much value paired with Armia to make the cap work. Plus they would need to shed cap to make PLD work, and if we have learnt anything so far this offseason is that no one is taking on much cap for cheap.
That's what i think it will take for PLD. Barron (top prospect), Kidney (B prospect), Dvorak + one of Armia or Hoffman for cap space and a high pick.
The only thing that bothers me is the FLO 2023 1st. If it's top 10 protected and ends up being top 10, we gotta give our 2024 1st, which could also be top 10.
I don't wanna make the same mistake Avs and Sens did in late years, i'd much rather give MTL 2023 2nd if that possible. 33-37 range.
That's what i think it will take for PLD. Barron (top prospect), Kidney (B prospect), Dvorak + one of Armia or Hoffman for cap space and a high pick.
The only thing that bothers me is the FLO 2023 1st. If it's top 10 protected and ends up being top 10, we gotta give our 2024 1st, which could also be top 10.
I don't wanna make the same mistake Avs and Sens did in late years, i'd much rather give MTL 2023 2nd if that possible. 33-37 range.
Could be something like Winnipeg gets the worse of the two picks and if both are top 10 or maybe even top 15 then Winnipeg gets Montreal's 2023 2nd plus like a third or something else.
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