I know I’m a miNority on this but Hronek is really overrated. Not a top 4 guy on most teams. Big L trade

Any team with a top D pair of Morrissey/DeMelo will at best be in contention for a lottery pick.

This team is meh, that bottom six is garbage and Wheeler is in serious decline even if he was almost a ppg player.

It's minor but not losing Harkins to waivers but keeping guys like Brooks or Eyssimont.

Pretty easy no from Winnipeg on the Detroit trade. Hronek isn't worth a first and a better, though older defenseman.

Good we both agree it's bad for both teams.

Detroit passes, We're not trading a 24 years old Filip Hronek for an aging 31 year old Brenden Dillion, Rebuilding teams don't trade younger assets for older assets unless they're close to competing for the cup. Which Detroit isn't.

Gain a 1st round pick

Did you miss the 30th pick in this years draft being included in that?

Okay, wasn't sure what his value was



Brooks and Eyssimont deserves at least another look, Harkins doesn't

And if the Jet's can't do any better than Morrisey and Demelo as their top pair, then I guess it's time to throw in the grenade

No i didn't miss it, if we move Hronek it's not for an aging LD who wont even be around for our playoff run. The 30th pick is irrelevant in a draft that's not as deep as the 2023 draft.

So a defensemen that’s got the 35th most points over the course of the last 3 years on the second to worse team (GF wise) isn’t a top 4 guy.

It’s 30th overall, means very little in the grand scheme here.

No actually Harkins does, he deserves more than 4th line minutes or playing with Lowry who's the worst 3C in the league. Harkins can play and he shows it any time he isn't stuck playing with plugs.


Yeah Idk, there might be a somewhat reasonable trade out there to upgrade on DeMelo but does Chevy make that move, probably not cause he's so fearful of trading futures and honestly they're probably at grenade throwing time anyway with the PLD news.

Yes because there is much more to defense than getting points. Ya know, like playing defense…

Fair point

Yeah, schemes, defensive partners, transitions, etc. Almost like you’re just look at any analytics chart with no context.

Even if it's not time to rebuild, good luck Upgrading on Demelo, that's why I suggested committing to a two year contention window, and just go for it up until Dubois reaches free agent status. Scheifele, Hellebuyck, and Wheeler will also be up in the same year, Perfetti will be up for a new deal and can be a main building block of the next core. Ehlers and Pionk will both have 1 year remaining under contract, Connor will have two, can monetize them both

Yes, Hronek’s poor play is definitely everyone else’s fault. He is actually very good, just everyone else makes him play poorly

Checks out

I don't think Appleton is going to lock himself in for 5 years at $1.6million. That type of price tag probably only buys one RFA and one UFA year or maybe one RFA and two UFA years.

Maybe not. Not even sure WPG would offer that kind of term anyway

Where did I say that? I merely pointed to relying solely on most likely a HERO chart without any context. I’d wager vast majority of individuals utilize analytics incorrectly especially on this site but this is probably a moot point considering you haven’t even refuted my claim.

Not sure what a HERO chart is but okay.

Look, an offensive d-man with first unit powerplay time who can’t crack 40 points, mostly picks up secondary assists to pad his point totals, wastes shots regularly from low-danger areas, is slow in making decisions in his own end, and struggles to keep forward to the outside is not a piece worth aquiring. Especially not for a solid defensive Dman AND a 1st.

Excusing bad analytics and poor performance due to environment or whatever when other defenseman on the same team actually played good hockey is lazy.

Again, 35th in points for in the last 3 years on a bottom 2 offensive team. You’d realize that Seider was PP1 QB but I’m sure your charts forgot that important fact. That first
Is 30th overall give me a break jeez do you believe half the crap that you spew?

Okay. Total points over the last 3 years is clearly the determining factor for whether or not a D-man is good.

Doesn’t matter if most of his points are secondary assists. Doesn’t matter if they are inflated from owing on PP1. Doesn’t matter if his 5v5 points per 60 are not even top 50. Doesn’t matter that he struggles heavily in his own zone. Doesn’t matter that the wings allowed fewer chances against with Hronek on the bench instead of on the ice.

Maybe the reason Detroit is the 30th team is because they rely on players like Hronek to lay top pair minutes when he is a 3rd pair caliber defenseman

Clearly an indication of production there’s various factors to determine role with team. No one ever said he was a top pairing defensemen but merely countering your statement he isn’t a top 4 on most teams. Per minute stats when not playing appropriate competition , defensive scheme, or complementary linemates easily explain that issue. As for analytics that leverage high danger it’s subjective to the arena as it’s not an exact measurement so it can fluctuate from each respective arena. Typically when you face the other teams top competition playing above your skill level will typically do that. Again, common sense would say playing on the ice against a Crosby versus some bottom 6 guy would result in more shots on net.