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Input on trade values is appreciated

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Équipe: 2022-23 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 24 juin 2022
Publié: 24 juin 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
The team reinforces its forward group with Brown (& Holloway), secures a more cost-efficient goal scorer (Olofsson), and builds out the bottom-6 with physical players that can also actually contribute more than just physicality (Carrier, Joshua, & ZAR).

Stralman adds veteran support to a host of upcoming young LD and Allen provides a competent support goalie for relatively cheap that allows the team to not commit to a goalie long-term before knowing what they have in Skinner. Also, the team frees itself from reliance on LTIR as Smith retires.

The roster still has its flaws, though. The top-6 may be somewhat lacking in physicality as the drop-off between Kane and Olofsson is substantial, the overall scoring punch of the middle of the roster is quite reliant on youth, the D corps isn't particularly inspiring, and the ceiling for the goaltending is league-average at best.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
43 000 000 $
21 175 000 $
33 750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
43 000 000 $
2900 000 $
11 000 000 $
1800 000 $
1750 000 $
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Olofsson, Victor [Droits de RFA]
BUF
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Droits de RFA]
2.
EDM
  1. Carrier, William
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
VGK
  1. Shore, Devin (425 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
3.
EDM
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (DAL)
4.
EDM
  1. Allen, Jake (1 437 500 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (ANA)
MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
5.
EDM
  1. Brown, Connor (1 800 000 $ retained)
OTT
  1. Lavoie, Raphael
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
6.
EDM
ARI
  1. Klefbom, Oscar
  2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2022
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Logo de DAL
Logo de ANA
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Logo de EDM
2023
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Logo de VGK
Logo de EDM
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2024
Logo de EDM
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $81 393 629 $896 000 $1 350 000 $1 106 371 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 175 000 $1 175 000 $
C
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
AG, C
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 7
900 000 $900 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Golden Knights de Vegas
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
800 000 $800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 437 500 $1 437 500 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
775 000 $775 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 538 462 $5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 1

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24 juin 2022 à 10 h 27
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Yeah Habs accept that.
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24 juin 2022 à 10 h 29
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I think the trade for Allen might be better suited for next years trade deadline. It’s very rare for teams to retain salary unless it’s at that time. If you would want Montreal to retain before that you’d probably have to take The 2nd round pick off the table. Other than that I don’t think it’s that far off
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24 juin 2022 à 10 h 29
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In term of value for Allen I think it’s good, but I wouldn’t trade him for this deal simply because we don’t know if Price will be able to comeback next season. Unless the direction is okay with Primeau being the #1 goalie I wouldn’t trade Allen. Value is there, the circonstance make it hard to accept.
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24 juin 2022 à 10 h 43
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Can't see Olofsson signing for under 4 million. The general thinking around Buffalo has been in the 4.75 range for what he'd take.
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24 juin 2022 à 11 h 25
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"Input on trade values is appreciated"
Here it is!

@SupremeBone Surely you jest one for one.
First, Jesse plays on a team that scored 58 more goals than Buffalo but Olofsson scored 50% more goals and pts than Jesse.
Second, Puljujärvi played with either Leon or Connor over 75% of the time and managed to scrape together 14 goals and 36 pts in 65 games.
Third, Olofsson played with Cozens, Asplund, Krebs, Okposo, Mittelstadt, Jankowski, Eakin, Ruotsalainen, Murray and Quinn about 50% of the time and managed 20 goals and 49 pts in 72 games, yet you somehow think they are equal.
Fourth, take Jesse away from Connor and Leon and he may not get 10 goals.
Give Victor 75% of his ice time with Connor and Leon, he would probably more than double Jesse's 14 and get 30 goals.
Fifth, 14 goals in 65 games is only one more than Hinostroza got in 62 games, in other words, Vinnie is probably as good as Puljujärvi if Vinnie played wing for Connor or Leon!
That is a horrible deal for Buffalo!
Please stop pretending Puljujärvi has much value when a journey NHL RW playing on a team that is among the lowest scoring teams in the NHL has only ONE less goal than Jesse!

@Funksoljah

I forgot to add, Tuch, Okposo, Quinn and Hinostroza, Buffalo does not have a spot in the line up for Jesse.
Olofsson would be Buffalo's 2nd line LW, Jesse would be in the press box.
24 juin 2022 à 11 h 42
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
"Input on trade values is appreciated"
Here it is!

SupremeBone Surely you jest one for one.
First, Jesse plays on a team that scored 58 more goals than Buffalo but Olofsson scored 50% more goals and pts than Jesse.
Second, Puljujärvi played with either Leon or Connor over 75% of the time and managed to scrape together 14 goals and 36 pts in 65 games.
Third, Olofsson played with Cozens, Asplund, Krebs, Okposo, Mittelstadt, Jankowski, Eakin, Ruotsalainen, Murray and Quinn about 50% of the time and managed 20 goals and 49 pts in 72 games, yet you somehow think they are equal.
Fourth, take Jesse away from Connor and Leon and he may not get 10 goals.
Give Victor 75% of his ice time with Connor and Leon, he would probably more than double Jesse's 14 and get 30 goals.
Fifth, 14 goals in 65 games is only one more than Hinostroza got in 62 games, in other words, Vinnie is probably as good as Puljujärvi if Vinnie played wing for Connor or Leon!
That is a horrible deal for Buffalo!
Please stop pretending Puljujärvi has much value when a journey NHL RW playing on a team that is among the lowest scoring teams in the NHL has only ONE less goal than Jesse!

Funksoljah

I forgot to add, Tuch, Okposo, Quinn and Hinostroza, Buffalo does not have a spot in the line up for Jesse.
Olofsson would be Buffalo's 2nd line LW, Jesse would be in the press box.


Alright, well that's an interestingly passionate take tears of joy

I'd rebut your arguments by pointing to one key point that your argument ignores: much of Puljujarvi's value is his defensive and possession prowess (his on-ice impacts are substantial, w/ and w/o Connor). Olofsson is very clearly the better offensive player but I recall him having some notable defensive deficiencies- correct me if I'm wrong, though. My view is they're both worth somewhere around a late-1st with each having their own strengths and flaws.

Regardless of my disagreement with your analysis, I appreciate the feedback!
24 juin 2022 à 11 h 43
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Can't see Olofsson signing for under 4 million. The general thinking around Buffalo has been in the 4.75 range for what he'd take.


Fair enough. I wonder if that would change if the contract was a 2 year deal to build some value for himself heading into UFA status.
24 juin 2022 à 11 h 48
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts


Funksoljah

I forgot to add, Tuch, Okposo, Quinn and Hinostroza, Buffalo does not have a spot in the line up for Jesse.
Olofsson would be Buffalo's 2nd line LW, Jesse would be in the press box.


Personally I like Bison King, he definitely didn't have much puck luck this season but he does a lot of things that most Sabres forwards don't do. He helps drive offense in ways a bit similar to Tuch, by creating space for the other forwards. He'll win board battles and forcheck, he'll back check and suppress shots, he'll create turnovers that lead to scoring chances. I think him on a line with Cozens would be a nightmare for opposing teams to deal with. Remove Hino from the equation and you then have RW depth of Tuch, Quinn, Puljujarvi, and Okposo. That's about as solid as you can get from that perspective.
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24 juin 2022 à 12 h 17
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I think I’d take that trade with Olofsson. Sir Pool is a different type of forward and in theory would give us a bit more balance overall.

Perhaps a conditional pick can go to Buffalo if Olofsson scores 30 next year?
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24 juin 2022 à 12 h 18
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Isn't Klefbom's contract uninsured? No way Arizona takes it on.
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I think I’d take that trade with Olofsson. Sir Pool is a different type of forward and in theory would give us a bit more balance overall.

Perhaps a conditional pick can go to Buffalo if Olofsson scores 30 next year?


Hmm, I'd be willing to at least consider that. Wouldn't be comfortable with it being a high pick, though.
24 juin 2022 à 12 h 20
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I think all of the trades are fairly reasonable. Might tweak a couple but generally they’re on point - good work.
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Isn't Klefbom's contract uninsured? No way Arizona takes it on.


In all honesty, I'm not clear on what's insured and what's not. Is there a reason it wouldn't be given it's career-ending arthritis derived from playing hockey? It wouldn't be a strictly necessary move as it was only made to get EDM out of LTIR reliance.
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Quoting: vikhodush
I think all of the trades are fairly reasonable. Might tweak a couple but generally they’re on point - good work.


Alright, thanks for the input! If you care to share, any particular tweaks you would point to?
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24 juin 2022 à 12 h 23
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Alright, thanks for the input! If you care to share, any particular tweaks you would point to?


I’d lessen picks coming back to oil in Allen trade because of retention. Would also probably add a conditional pick going to BUF based on Olof production.
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24 juin 2022 à 12 h 28
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In all honesty, I'm not clear on what's insured and what's not. Is there a reason it wouldn't be given it's career-ending arthritis derived from playing hockey? It wouldn't be a strictly necessary move as it was only made to get EDM out of LTIR reliance.


Typically teams only insure their 3 to 4 most expensive contracts and I thought I read somewhere Klefbom's contract wasn't insured. Being on LTIR has nothing to do with if a contract is insured or not. If its not insured, you're going to have hard time finding any team to pay over five million dollars for a player that wont play for them, let alone a team so deep in the red like Arizona.
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Typically teams only insure their 3 to 4 most expensive contracts and I thought I read somewhere Klefbom's contract wasn't insured. Being on LTIR has nothing to do with if a contract is insured or not. If its not insured, you're going to have hard time finding any team to pay over five million dollars for a player that wont play for them, let alone a team so deep in the red like Arizona.


Hmm, fair if true. I was operating under the assumption that the contract of any player who is rendered unable to play anymore qualifies as insured by the NHL or NHLPA (not exactly clear, obviously).
24 juin 2022 à 15 h 23
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Hmm, I'd be willing to at least consider that. Wouldn't be comfortable with it being a high pick, though.


3rd if he hits 30, 2nd if he hits 40 goals, 50+ goals would give both?
24 juin 2022 à 20 h 14
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in terms of value, you're pretty much on the mark for Brown imo. just not the kind of deal the Sens should actually be doing if they're moving Brown, so it's a "Sens say no, but not because of value"
 
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