He is a solid PK defensive D who blocks a lot and isn’t afraid to throw his body around. Definitely a good player. He is a very good 3rd pair D.

He could be top 4 on some teams that are weak on one side and while Philly is pretty bad, he isn’t going to take a spot from Risto and is no where as good as Ellis. If Philly drafts Jiricek, then yes, Holl would be a healthy scratch on that Philly defence.

He is probably worth 2 million but it seems as if leafs fans want to dump him so I’m not sure you get what you want out of him.

The trade seems pretty fair in my honest opinion, wouldn’t be any more off than a 3rd

He's a mid level number 4, the main issue is that lots of people have crazy high expectations of what a number 4 defender actually is.
Just because he's not that guy on Carolina or Colorado doesn't mean he isnt one, hell, he's been one on the leafs, a top 5 team for years now, for a long time.
He's MUCH better than risto, but thats just because risto is terrible and if Philly doesnt want to eat that pride thats on them. Ellis is better when he's healthy, so we'll see how that goes, as far as a fresh draft pick? That kid probably wont make the show for years, especially as a defender.
Leafs fans want to dump him because he's blocking liljegren mostly and cap second.
At best him for Laughton is a straight up value swap, the first and niemela make it a nonstarter for the leafs.
Mrazek for monahan, holl for Laughton sure, fine, whatever. Nothing else

Too late for Ostapchuk, with the kind of coming out party he just had at 18 y/o, Sens won't trade him easily. I would much rather trade the 10th OA pick from the same draft... lol

Lodin + Brännström + early 2nd (39th OA) is already good value. Wouldn't add Ostapchuk on top of it.

Okay, was trying to say each of you were wrong but that rant made me side with OP. Clearly you’re way more off than he is.

I feel if we take Osta out of the offer we probably have to turn that 2nd into a first. Protected of course.

At least to equate to most the offers I’ve seen for TK.

Maybe Philly adds a pick or lower prospect? Sens are in a fantastic spot that a big add like this, and maybe one or two good off-season pick ups, could really boost the team to be a playoff team

Oh id love to hear why

Read your post.

You said Holl is equivalent in value to Laughton
You said Mrazek is equivalent in value to Monahan
You said Risto is “MUCH” worse than Holl, I mean, Risto is a 90 foot guy, don’t get me wrong but I would take him on my team over Holl 82 games of the year. Finding PK specialist D is a dime a dozen.

Value wise, those players are equal.
An over paid ok 3rd liner = a 4th defender who is cheaper
A terrible center who makes too much = an injured goalie who put up good numbers much more recently
And risto is one of the worst defenders in the league. He's increasingly bad. Holl being much better than him isnt a high bar to clear.

Like I said, have to side with OP because all these opinions are pretty horrid.

Well, dont let me stand in the way of you being wrong too.

Out of curiosity, are you, WindJammer, and CMcAvoy73 all the same person? I’ve never seen anyone overvalue their guys as much as you three and be so defensive about it.

What a overtly defensive thing to say to someone who simply disagrees with you

Agreed, problem is the Sens don't have a 1st

I mean, their 1st is 7th OA this year so way too high

Maybe 2023 but teams are going to be reticent trading their 1st from that draft...

Would the 2024 first works? Even if it's going to be 32nd?

I think it would work. I know nothing of the 2024 draft but the pure speed and skill the Sens have shown even being one of the worst teams in the league let’s me know that puck won’t be worth much haha

I’ll take that as a yes.

You're as good at this as risto is

Just stop responding. He’s a troll and a homer

Dudes bragging about how good a team is that hasn’t won a playoff round in nearly two decades