That doesn't even sniff Timo Meier. Not even remotely close.

Troll level stuff here.

Voracek and Bemstrom are good starts, though the package will need to be improved for a Timo trade to work. Rather than the complicated draft picks you proposed, perhaps 2023 1st and a 2024 conditional 2nd (becomes a 1st based on Timo's performance or CBJ making 23-24 playoffs). Also Sharks aren't interested in Svozil, though Marchenko or Chinakhov would be better fits. CBJ isn't the worst fit for Timo's skill set and cap hit, though I think you'll need some work before we accept.

That’s a pretty easy no from San Jose. An old guy and nothing great coming back in return for Meier. Can’t see a lottery prospected 1st either. You have to give up quality to get quality. Can’t see San Jose taking a deal without maybe a young goaltender or involving Sillinger, Johnson, etc.

in what distorted reality is Voracek a good start? That's the piece that ends the conversation immediately. Wow some sharks fans are totally clueless.

I think the 2023 draft is too good for it to be unprotected, especially for a team that isn't guaranteed to be ready to compete.

Swap Svozil for Chinakov and make it 12OA this year instead of 2023. I'm definitely ok with 2024 conditional 2nd as well.

Then it looks like Voracek, Chinakov, 12OA and 2024 2nd (maybe first depending on 22-23 playoffs). That's definitely a lot, but if that's what it takes then we can go.

Meier is more important than Chychrun for us for sure. We need size that can play and fill in gaps around Laine's (and our centers) weaknesses.

Wow, someone is rude. I'm not saying that this is a competitive piece at all nor even a good player at his declining point. I'm just saying that it could be a good start for a rebuild, as we'd look to start tanking and actually have a chance in the lottery for once. The trade proposal in this AGM is flawed but top picks and prospects are used as compensation all the time for taking on bad or declining contracts.

Definitely need more quality, I agree. San Jose would be coinflipping on the 2024 1st. Sharks are just in no man's land atm and headed toward Meier having really good leverage on his really high QO.

Timo wants to be in San Jose and win in SJ. He isn't going to leverage his 10m when the sharks offer him 8x8.5. The risk is too high. People on here take that QO way too literally.

SJ isn't rebuilding. The owner won't allow it. But not in any world is trading a top tier offensive talent in his prime for a 32 year old declining playmaker a "solid" start. lol you clearly didn't watch SJ last year if you had, you would not be talking like this haha

I know the owner has no interest in rebuilding, which is frankly moronic given we're in no mans land as it stands. Timo is our top talent but if we aren't able to give guys like him a competitive start, then we should blow it up. But hey, if you want to remain a mediocre team while others vacuum up the best draft prospects in the next few years then be my guest.

And for the record, I have watched the Sharks last season (and every season since the Nolan and Ricci days), so I do deserve to express some frustration on our unwillingness to face facts and start tanking. I don't go to this site to get into bickering so luckily for you, I'm just going to ignore your comments going forward.

Yeah if he plays the same way he will get paid. I don’t think the sharks would be interested really in Voracek either thinking about it. Older, over $2 mil more in cap and only has 15 goals in his last 130 games which is what the sharks really need.

Yeah one of the firsts in ‘22 or ‘23 is a must along with a great prospect. That’s the base line.

I agree with what you've been saying. Voracek would be a good piece for a team needing a top 6 winger for depth to push in the playoffs. No need for San Jose to get that as by the time they're gonna be a contender, Voracek will probably be 36+ and on his way out. And for that to be the big player in the trade being someone they don't need, not ideal. Not to mention his contract this final year is just another 8 mill hell in San Jose this upcoming year, even though it's only 2 final years

Was clear they aren't rebuilding when Hertl was kept. So trading Meier, the brightest spot and player to bank the next 5-10 years on pretty much makes him an untouchable unless he's swapped for another player his age that puts up his numbers, there's not that much to choose from. While having the worst AHL team this past year, and not much in the prospect pool outside of Coe, Eklund, Gush Robins and Laroque, it may be a few dull years of no playoffs but no bottom 3 finishes either to build up a core, focused around Meier. CBJ knows about those types'a years all too well

win what? draft lottery?

Yeah, basically every analyst in hockey predicted SJ to finish in the bottom 3 this season and we were still in a playoff position in January. So yeah, keep regurgitating the same poo everyone else does and look stupid for it next season.

You forgot Bordeleau (who outscored Johnson this season)

The AHL team was horrible because half the team spent most the year on the Sharks. Remember all those COVID make up games last year cause teams had too many players out sick? Yeah, SJ didn't get that treatment. We played nearly 3 weeks with 8 lineup players from the AHL. Then injuries. So yeah.

I don't think you know too much about prospects if you didn't mention Bordeleau, Cardwell, Gaudreau and Mann. Veronneau is also an intriguing piece.

There is no way anyone can justify this trade to me. Sending a 26 yo ppg player entering his prime for a literal declining pile of bones that can't score goals for anything, 2 C level prospects and a 1st in 2 years. Literal garbage, troll level trade. We might as well send Bonino, Ibragimov, Hamaliuk and a 1st in 2024 for Laine. That's how absurd this offer is.

lol

Relax man, it's make-believe.

Bemstrom isn't a C level prospect, he was the best prospect in the SHL in 2019. Voracek isn't what the Sharks need and that's cool, just say it.

I was operating under the assumption that Meier didn't really want to be there because of his QO leverage and in his exit interview he dodged the "do you want to stay here?" question super hard.

same with columbus lol. predicted to finish last

my mistake for leaving out Bordeleau. My mind must've been with the rest of the GMs cause there's no reason he should've been drafted as late as he was. The rest I did leave out on purpose. Wouldn't consider a guy halfway to 27 to be a "prospect", his recent SHL excellence season could translate to how we have Danforth, who had 3 excellent euro seasons to only be a solid 4th liner here. I left out 4th rounder that while showed some promise, you've still got 2 better OHL prospects to pick from, a goalie that wasn't even top 20 in either stat for OHL goalies (idk where to even find OHL advanced stats if they exist), and ig you can include Mann but considering Levi did much better on a worse team and was a throw-in in the Reinhart deal, then again throw-ins can perform great, just look at Roslovic

Wouldn't necessarily say Voracek is declining considering this was his 4th/14th best season of his career on a rebuilding team, who finished the year with more primary assists than MacKinnon, M. Tkachuk, Kaprizov etc... Not everyone has to score goals to be a major offensive threat, just look at Nick Backstrom's career.

Also being one to claim others "don't know too much about prospects" calling Bemstrom one despite him just completing his 3rd season in the league. Or calling Svozil C level when he was a projected 1st rounder that fell in a draft that was quite hard to scout and gage, so maybe the value isn't as much there, had a decent year in the W (although he is on Bedard's team) While I still agree this touches nowhere close to Meier's value, your bias is still showing a bit
also you wanna mention injuries, the Jackets didn't have their 1st line center for 23 games, and best forward for 26 games, amongst many other regulars missing 10-20 games. Wouldn't imagine the Sharks would've done much better without Meier or Hertl who played nearly a complete season and complete 82 respectively.

Look I mean if we wanna compare teams here, you've got us beat in offense and especially defense, maybe not goalies since both teams are quite inconsistent. Prospect pools I'd have to give to the Jackets after this draft especially. Just in a lot more cap hell that I'd hope you can get some success out of the guys that may not be playing up to those contracts anymore, but some are or are improving back up there. Karlsson made a big leap back towards what he used to be, and if he's healthy, hey, you've got one of the best defenseman of the past decade. And I'm sure you're happy the GMs listened to the scouts and didn't trade away the pick for Meier as they were going to, Columbus has a bad history considering listening to their scouts :/

San Jose ahead of the CBJ in offense? Maybe take a second look at the numbers there heh.

It's not easy being a sharks fan so apologies for the defensive behavior. Other fans crap on us daily.

we have better depth they have better star talent up top. All 4 of our centers had 30-45 points, they had 2 centers above 55 points

Eh, if Boone and Laine stay healthy they're pretty easily on par with Meier and Hertl. The 47g gap between the two teams would have been at least 60g too in that scenario. I just don't see how there can be any real comparison between the offense of two teams that have that much of a difference in produciton.