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Habs Fan Solves Rangers Offseason

Créé par: Nobokov
Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 23 mai 2022
Publié: 23 mai 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Just my thoughts on what I might do. Before you shred me for being biased on the Dvorak trade, read about it, it may make more sense than you might think.
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CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Kakko, Kaapo
22 000 000 $
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NYR
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (TBL)
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NYR
  1. Gurianov, Denis [Droits de RFA]
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NYR
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Schueneman, Corey [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Think of it as Dvorak and $2.5MM of cap space for Jones and a late first. I argue that this is good value because Dvorak is an incredible fit for the Rangers for the following reasons.

1. Cost. Dvorak costs only $4.45MM for the next several seasons, a lot cheaper than the going rate for a 2C.

2. Stylistic fit. Dvorak is the perfect passenger winger, someone who is able to fit with more skilled linemates and produce with their help. He would be a great match with Panarin and would likely hit career highs in points to a significant degree. Dvorak has always played in depressed offensive environments (either under Tocchet in Arizona or Ducharme in Montreal) and his true talent with skilled wingers was flashed when St. Louis took over. IMO he could be a 60+ point 2C next to Panarin who can fill in as a bumper in case of a Kreider injury AND be the Rangers go-to man on faceoffs.

With these reasons in mind, I believe that this is a solid trade for both sides, especially given that the 1st rounder is guaranteed to be late or else it's two 2nd picks.

Also, the Rangers get Corey Schueneman, who could be a nice late blooming puck-mover to play next to Schneider's more physical game at a cheap rate.
MTL
  1. Jones, Zachary
  2. Nemeth, Patrik
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
Pick is Lottery protected, should the pick fall in the lottery it will convert into the next two second-round picks.
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UFA - 3
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
AG, AD
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RFA - 2
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5 666 667 $5 666 667 $
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UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DG
RFA - 1
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
925 000 $925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DD
RFA - 2
900 000 $900 000 $
G
UFA - 3
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

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Kakko, K.
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23 mai 2022 à 0 h 53
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Rangers pass and thank god that you're bot their gm
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23 mai 2022 à 0 h 56
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Rangers pass and thank god that you're bot their gm


Constructive, thanks!
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23 mai 2022 à 2 h 11
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Constructive, thanks!


I see what you're going for but find it hard to imagine the NYR don't find a way to keep one of either Strome/Copp. (?) I'd bet on Copp, personally.
23 mai 2022 à 2 h 16
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I see what you're going for but find it hard to imagine the NYR don't find a way to keep one of either Strome/Copp. (?) I'd bet on Copp, personally.


Reasonable, I just think with how tight they are against the cap it's worth it to get that 2C for Panarin at under $5MM, especially with dumping Nemeth as part of the deal.
23 mai 2022 à 5 h 7
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Reasonable, I just think with how tight they are against the cap it's worth it to get that 2C for Panarin at under $5MM, especially with dumping Nemeth as part of the deal.


One of our final pieces is certainly not going to be a 3x4.5m small underachiever
23 mai 2022 à 8 h 31
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One of our final pieces is certainly not going to be a 3x4.5m small underachiever


I feel like you keep confusing Dvorak for Byron. Yesterday day you said Dvo doesn't play physical and now this. Dvorak can and sometimes does play physical 32 hits in 56 games this season is proof. He may not go out of his way to be physical but he can play physically. Dvo is 6'1" 200lbs, he is not a small player at all. As far as underachieving, he did suffer some injuries and suffer through extraordinarily bad coaching through 44 games where everyone on the team underachieved. So I think it is forgivable for everyone on the Habs to have "underachieved" this year lol.
23 mai 2022 à 9 h 36
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I feel like you keep confusing Dvorak for Byron. Yesterday day you said Dvo doesn't play physical and now this. Dvorak can and sometimes does play physical 32 hits in 56 games this season is proof. He may not go out of his way to be physical but he can play physically. Dvo is 6'1" 200lbs, he is not a small player at all. As far as underachieving, he did suffer some injuries and suffer through extraordinarily bad coaching through 44 games where everyone on the team underachieved. So I think it is forgivable for everyone on the Habs to have "underachieved" this year lol.


I know exactly who he is and what he's worth, he's certainly not a fit with us. Thanks
23 mai 2022 à 9 h 42
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I know exactly who he is and what he's worth, he's certainly not a fit with us. Thanks


I never said he was a fit, I said you keep talking about him as if you are confusing him for Byron. You say he is small when he is literally the same size as both Copp and Strome. You say he isn't physical when he only has 10 hits less than Copp and Strome in like 20 less games. I was just saying that you were either confusing Byron for Dvorak or you were just being a troll cause you don't like either the Habs or Dvorak.
23 mai 2022 à 9 h 47
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I never said he was a fit, I said you keep talking about him as if you are confusing him for Byron. You say he is small when he is literally the same size as both Copp and Strome. You say he isn't physical when he only has 10 hits less than Copp and Strome in like 20 less games. I was just saying that you were either confusing Byron for Dvorak or you were just being a troll cause you don't like either the Habs or Dvorak.


Again. We all know who he is and how he performs. Your team gave a 1&3 for him at 3 more years x 4.5m. Gladly not us. Hard pass, good luck. Seems like you're the one confusing him for a big, physical, defensive, valuable C or simply dolling up your pig before the yard sale, or like u say, trolling lol
23 mai 2022 à 12 h 19
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Quoting: Fox_Czar_Cup
Again. We all know who he is and how he performs. Your team gave a 1&3 for him at 3 more years x 4.5m. Gladly not us. Hard pass, good luck. Seems like you're the one confusing him for a big, physical, defensive, valuable C or simply dolling up your pig before the yard sale, or like u say, trolling lol


It's okay, you know nothing about Dvorak. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but let's just be honest about what's really going on here.
23 mai 2022 à 14 h 31
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Quoting: Nobokov
It's okay, you know nothing about Dvorak. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but let's just be honest about what's really going on here.


What's really going on here is more hab fans trying to right the ship by relentlessly painting rosie pictures of dumps for any positive value
23 mai 2022 à 14 h 47
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What's really going on here is more hab fans trying to right the ship by relentlessly painting rosie pictures of dumps for any positive value


If you think he's a "dump" then there really is nothing anyone can do to help you. Try watching hockey.
23 mai 2022 à 16 h 6
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If you think he's a "dump" then there really is nothing anyone can do to help you. Try watching hockey.


We could play the already better Chytil @ 2.3m. Next...
23 mai 2022 à 16 h 12
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We could play the already better Chytil 2.3m. Next...


Chytil's career high in points is 23. Under Martin St. Louis, Christian Dvorak had 17 points in 21 games, which is 66 point pace. He finished with 33 points in 56 games, which is not only higher than Chytil has ever done (in only 56 games) but also a 48-point pace, more than double Chytil's career high.

AND Dvorak is better defensively. AND Dvorak wins 56.7% of his faceoffs, while Chytil wins only 43%. And the Rangers badly need guys who can win draws.

On what planet is Chytil better than Dvorak? He is worse offensively, defensively, and at the dot. There is literally no argument to be made here. Next.
23 mai 2022 à 19 h 12
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Chytil's career high in points is 23. Under Martin St. Louis, Christian Dvorak had 17 points in 21 games, which is 66 point pace. He finished with 33 points in 56 games, which is not only higher than Chytil has ever done (in only 56 games) but also a 48-point pace, more than double Chytil's career high.

AND Dvorak is better defensively. AND Dvorak wins 56.7% of his faceoffs, while Chytil wins only 43%. And the Rangers badly need guys who can win draws.

On what planet is Chytil better than Dvorak? He is worse offensively, defensively, and at the dot. There is literally no argument to be made here. Next.


Then I concede, you won the sweepstakes last year when you paid for him and you'll reap his rewards with his upward trajectory, congrats!
23 mai 2022 à 19 h 32
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Quoting: Fox_Czar_Cup
Then I concede, you won the sweepstakes last year when you paid for him and you'll reap his rewards with his upward trajectory, congrats!


Wow, what a strong rebuttal, you really did provide evidence that Chytil is better than Dvorak as you stated! I was confused for a second, because by every measurable metric Dvorak is significantly better than Chytil has ever been.

Glad you cleared that up!
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Wow, what a strong rebuttal, you really did provide evidence that Chytil is better than Dvorak as you stated! I was confused for a second, because by every measurable metric Dvorak is significantly better than Chytil has ever been.

Glad you cleared that up!


You're welcome. It's called future thinking
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You're welcome. It's called future thinking


Chytil has posted the same amount of points (with 1 point of variance) in literally every season of his career, which is now up to four full seasons. He had a solid 2020-21 but his production did not progress into this season. He will be 23 by the time the season starts and does not have any sort of elite tool (like incredible skating, puck protection) that would allow him to make a major jump, especially given that he has not done so in four (4!) NHL seasons.

In what world does it make sense for a contending team to rely on a 23 point scorer who cannot win faceoffs as the 2C rather than a cost-controlled, established NHL center with twice as good offense and better defense?
 
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