Trying to hide this is as bad as trying to misrepresent Subban's season. The clear message is that he put up 30 points from the bottom pair and without PP time which is demonstrably untrue. When you have to lie about the player to try and give him value, your argument is shot before it started.

Great comment
And that 12% mainly came when Hamilton was injured

Since when did saying someone being a good third pairing defender equate them playing third pairing minutes all season?

Knock it off before you're booked for trolling. Pretty sure you've made your point of not wanting to engage in any meaningful discussion.

Ignoring the pointless part of your post which just shows I'm right about what I'm saying, you won't find anywhere that will tell you Subban is an upgrade on Holl or Muzzin. It might be what you want but its fantasy.

I said he WOULD BE a good bottom pair dman, not he played bottom pair all year

Well the good news for the Oilers if they miss the playoffs

Holland gonna probs get fired

And then they can bring in a proper GM and President lul

If I can mathematically demonstrate that PK Subban is an afterthought on the Devils' powerplay, how are you galaxy-braining that his 40 TOTAL minutes makes him a staple?

Get out of my thread lmao

When you say he's on pace for an amount of points, you are implying across the entire season. When you follow that up by saying 'while playing bottom pair minutes and no powerplay time' and you haven't given a new time frame for those, you are implying that that's where he's been the entire season like the point pace he's generating. HIs message clearly says that PK Subban has generated that 30 point pace from the bottom pair with no powerplay time. Maybe he just used poor english, I think he was just trying to pull one over on someone he thought wouldn't look into it.

The guy spends less time on the Devils' power play than the spittle from the bench. His statement wasn't inaccurate. You're being pedantic to the point of being nonsensical.

Everything I have said is purely factual. PK Subban didn't generate 30 points from the bottom pair and without PP time like his post said, THAT was inaccurate. That's not nonsense, that is fact and even you were nice enough to show so.

Except he's projected to do exactly that...? He gets popcorn-fart minutes on the PP and he's on pace for 26-30 points this season.

But he played a lot of the season while getting PP minutes and above the 3rd pairing....so no, he is not projected to produce 30 points this season while playing on the 3rd pairing with no PP time like Devil suggested in his post. The real question this brings is where were Subban's points produced? How productive has he been on that 3rd pairing after being demoted down the lineup and kicked from the PP? The reasonable expectation would be that he produced them while playing higher in the lineup with more minutes.

Beyond that, the only thing's you guys have been able to bring up are the 'offensive' upside of Subban. What use do the Leafs have in that? They have the top PP in the league, are a top scoring team in the league, have put in something ridiculous like 20 goals in their last 5 games and keep in mind that ends before the 10 goals against the Red Wings because I want to be kind. What use do the Leafs have for an offense only defenseman? You say he's better than Holl and Muzzin but there's no metric or any analytics that would back that at all and especially on the defensive side of the puck where the Leafs need help.

Maybe if you weren't lying, you would see my post wasn't inaccurate
He's literally on pace for close to 30 points. (It's factual statistics)
He's the Devils 5th dman in average ice time. Only played top 4 minutes when Hamilton was hurt. And I never said he only played bottom pair minutes. I said he's most suited for them
He barely got PP time (only when there were injuries)
Your hate for Subban is insane

It's not hate for Subban, its simple fact by both eye test and analytics that he is a negative asset to teams. This is a rather widely held position. Hell, even the Friedman 'rumor' implies that the only chance New Jersey has at moving him is they mutually terminate his contract. That's PKs value amongst the NHL community.

Lets put it this way. The only teams currently operating under the cap in playoff positions are the Predators, Rangers, Wild and Bruins. None of whom are shopping for an offense only, 3rd pairing defenseman. So to find a team who might consider taking Subban on, you are looking at a team who will need to make the full 2.5 million in cap space as room for a 3rd pairing defenseman. How many of those playoff teams are spending 2.5 mil, that they don't have, on a 3rd pairing defenseman who only plays one side of the ice? None or in other words, he's not worth anything to anyone. There's no market for the guy.