The only “Laff” here is from Dubas when he receives that offer.

Yeah he would be pretty excited to receive such a good offer. He would Laff with excitement

You might get more for Miller from some team. But I really don't see the appeal to the Leafs either. Now they are down to just six NHL Dmen. And forward isn't a great need for the Leafs. Just better fits elsewhere

There no chances he’s trading a young roster player with top 4 upside, a top prospect, his top pick in this years draft, plus 2 others players for just 1. A 5 for 1 deal is not worth Miller.

Easy pass.

1) Asking price for miller retained is 3 premium assets. In this case it is Amirov, liljigren, and a first.
2)nick ritchie is a negative value asset, taking his salary back while retaining on miller makes this trade nearly cap neutral. Upgrading from AHL dead cap to first line forward who has been equal in value (if not better than) John Tavares this season with 0 cap consequences for two seasons is Huge for TML.
3)abruzzese is a throw in for taking back Ritchie. And B prospect will do if you’d rather it be someone else, I don’t really care

the Laffs Laff at that offer

Throw in Luke schenn maybe to fill in the roster spot for Lilly?

I think the Leafs are set on offense. If you're interested in trading Schenn or Hamonic, though, there might be some interest.

1. You need to learn negotiating skills and lingo - the “asking price” is the initial price set by a team. It’s often negotiated lower than that. Teams always set the price higher than expected. You don’t go into a job and ask for $10K and expect to receive $20K..

2. Ritchie isn’t as “negative value” as you think. His contact is a very easy buy out candidate this off-season and it’s cheap. The price to move him will likely be a mid round pick, it’s not a huge deal breaker actually.

3. Calling Abruzzese a “throw in” points more towards you not knowing the prospect at all. Leafs are pretty high on him, have been since they drafted him. They’re not going to use him as a “throw in” to move salary out.

I can confidently say Toronto declines this rather easily. It opens up more holes on the roster than it fixes. Try elsewhere.

Its barely even convincing enough for us to move him.

For the asking price, Canucks won’t trade miller for less than asking. So if there were a deal to be made, it would be for the above price. If you think it’s too much that’s fine, but that’s what it would cost if the leafs wanted to do it.

I think you underestimate the difficulty in moving out salary. Richie is in the AHL and has another year left at 2.5. Who would want that? I also doubt the leafs have an appetite to put a buyout penalty on the books next year when they just finally get out from the kessel retention.

Abruzzese is a B+ prospect with 3C potential whose development has stalled a bit this year, no? Seems like a pretty normal asking price for taking on dead cap.

You’re heavily overstating the value of leafs assets if you consider this a 5 pieces for one trade. It’s 3 pieces for a retained JT miller, and then 1 piece for taking back Richie

Lol. A young roster player (at a position of severe need for Vancouver), a top prospect around the league, and a 1st is more than enough. Miller isn’t Jack Eichel here. He’s not worth THAT many high quality assets.

If you think he’s worth more, it’s nothing but bias.

Did you just call Rodin Amirov a top prospect on the league? He’s not even the top prospect on the leafs lol

Edit: Just went to check to see where “top prospect around the league” Amirov ranks on some lists.

Doesn’t show up on this one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprospectnetwork.ca/2021/10/11/ranking-the-top-50-prospects-in-the-nhl-ahead-of-the-2021-22-season/amp/

Down at 21 on this one (behind Robertson):
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

And 29 on this one:
https://drive4five.blog/2021/10/29/nhl-top-prospects-trevor-zegras-cole-caufield-ben-kule/


Etc. Etc. Etc.


Not a top prospect on most teams lol

Amirov isn't at Krebs level, Liljegren has been assigned more value by leafs fans than he realistically has, and Torontos first is in the 20s.

Miller doesn't have injury concerns or a 10m cap to restrict the buyers too. I hate how people keep using Eichel as the comparison when his circumstance is totally unique. Miller is a top line forward and everyone pretends that he isn't.

While yes this is a package we probably accept, lets not pretend the Leafs are getting robbed blind.

lol. Picks and chooses a list that fits his comment.. nice one.

I picked the first three on google my guy. Show me one where Amirov is top 10 and I will concede he is a top prospect on the league

It is asking too much out of leafs fans to request they don’t overrate their prospects lol

I think what we're finding out is there's a disconnect between the value we place on players based on the team situation.

Miller is very good and would probably give the Leafs a great shot at a cup, but if they don't win he really hamstrings them on the cap next year. Like they have 7 million in space and are losing 40% of the roster, with Miller, even retained, its down to 4ish mill.

Adding to our offense would be great but taking away our 6th/7th Dman makes us really vulnerable to injury (and if the point is to win the cup this has very bad repercussions no matter how good the offense is). Not to mention the need for good, young, cheap defensemen to support our expensive top 6.

I'll offer Amirov, Holl, Kerfoot, Abramov, a 1st and a 3rd

for

Miller (no retention) and Schenn,

The OP makes no impact on the leafs cap next year. Miller at $2 million retained is 3.25 million, where as nick richie is 2.5 million, so cap consequence is minimal. If it really is that big of an issue that 750k causes big cap problems next year, Canucks could retain another 625k to make it almost no difference at all

Would you take my trade offer?

your argument is good but the offer isn't as good as the original. Too much of nothing. I like Kerfoot but pass on Holl.