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Rangers All In Huge Trade

Créé par: ChiHawk
Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 6 janv. 2022
Publié: 6 janv. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
NYR
  1. De Haan, Calvin (2 250 000 $ retained)
  2. Kane, Patrick (4 500 000 $ retained)
  3. Strome, Dylan
CHI
  1. Chytil, Filip
  2. Kakko, Kaapo
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $71 740 594 $0 $5 750 000 $9 759 406 $
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
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5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
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UFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 5
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
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-1 875 000 $-1 875 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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762 500 $762 500 $
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750 000 $750 000 $
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UFA - 1
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 4
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance350 000 $$350K)
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RFA - 2
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
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UFA - 5
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG, AD
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Équipe de réserve
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925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DG
RFA - 2
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809 167 $809 167 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
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RFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
C
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 20
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This trade still leaves a hole in the top 6. Moving Kakko for Kane still leaves a need for a RW in the top 6. This literally makes no sense.
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6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 22
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This trade still leaves a hole in the top 6. Moving Kakko for Kane still leaves a need for a RW in the top 6. This literally makes no sense.


"This literally makes no sense"???

Is Kane or Kappo better positioned to win a cup for the Rangers?
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 23
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"This literally makes no sense"???

Is Kane or Kappo better positioned to win a cup for the Rangers?


Still means nothing with another top 6 hole on the right side.
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6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 24
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Quoting: ChiHawk
"This literally makes no sense"???

Is Kane or Kappo better positioned to win a cup for the Rangers?


I don't think that's what they were saying, they were saying who is your other top 6 RW now? Yes you upgraded one for Kane but you gave up one in Kakko. You will not win the cup with Julien Gauthier as your 1RW. I also personally think Kane would get more than that considering how bad Chytil has been so far
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 26
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Copying my trade idea and making it worse, nice work.
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 35
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Copying my trade idea and making it worse, nice work.


Thanks for the constructive feedback....nice work laugh
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 38
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Still means nothing with another top 6 hole on the right side.


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I don't think that's what they were saying, they were saying who is your other top 6 RW now? Yes you upgraded one for Kane but you gave up one in Kakko. You will not win the cup with Julien Gauthier as your 1RW. I also personally think Kane would get more than that considering how bad Chytil has been so far


I get what you're saying, but "still means nothing" is just a boneheaded statement when you're getting a massive upgrade over KK. Yes, there is still have the hole on the top 6 RW but it is a massive upgrade then where it is at today and for a team that looks like it can really compete for the cup this year, a cup in the end is worth the cost of losing a future prospect. Kane and Panarin would be unstoppable and Strome it certainly an upgrade to when Bread and kaner played together in Chicago...those two have huge chemistry and proven chemistry. So yes, it means something.
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 38
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Thanks for the constructive feedback; you're winning...nice work laugh


Theres nothing constructive to consider. Taking on Kane makes us lose a future player, Ryan Strome and possibly in effect Dylan Strome. Next year we still dont have a top 6 RW and replaced the existing one with an aging one, we dont have a 2C or a 3C. Excellent.
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 41
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It's not going to be Kakko.
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6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 44
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Theres nothing constructive to consider. Taking on Kane makes us lose a future player, Ryan Strome and possibly in effect Dylan Strome. Next year we still dont have a top 6 RW and replaced the existing one with an aging one, we dont have a 2C or a 3C. Excellent.


About every owner in the league wants a cup win more then anything as it brings massive revenues to the team. There is no debate, Kane today is way better then KK today and gives that Rangers a huge boost to be one of the favorites for the cup (not just a contender) along with a good upgrade at 3C and a 3rd line shut down D man. The rangers haven't won a cup in almost 30 years, make no mistake, if the owner thinks he can get one with this trade, future considerations aren't a big concern.
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It's not going to be Kakko.


Lafreniere or Kakko?
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 46
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About every owner in the league wants a cup win more then anything as it brings massive revenues to the team. There is no debate, Kane today is way better then KK today and gives that Rangers a huge boost to be one of the favorites for the cup (not just a contender) along with a good upgrade at 3C and a 3rd line shut down D man. The rangers haven't won a cup in almost 30 years, make no mistake, if the owner thinks he can get one with this trade, future considerations aren't a big concern.


Bro keep Kane or send him elsewhere. Wtf is the obsession with sending him to us? The Rangers don’t need a cup to make money, they’ll make money regardless just for being in NY.
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6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 47
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Lafreniere or Kakko?


Why don’t you ship him to Colorado since you’re keen on trading him?
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 48
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About every owner in the league wants a cup win more then anything as it brings massive revenues to the team. There is no debate, Kane today is way better then KK today and gives that Rangers a huge boost to be one of the favorites for the cup (not just a contender) along with a good upgrade at 3C and a 3rd line shut down D man. The rangers haven't won a cup in almost 30 years, make no mistake, if the owner thinks he can get one with this trade, future considerations aren't a big concern.


Revenue for the Rangers is the least of the teams concerns.
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6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 48
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Theres nothing constructive to consider. Taking on Kane makes us lose a future player, Ryan Strome and possibly in effect Dylan Strome. Next year we still dont have a top 6 RW and replaced the existing one with an aging one, we dont have a 2C or a 3C. Excellent.


Thank you for using actual knowledge of the teams situation in your reasoning.
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 52
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Bro keep Kane or send him elsewhere. Wtf is the obsession with sending him to us? The Rangers don’t need a cup to make money, they’ll make money regardless just for being in NY.


Good thing you aren't in business or at least I hope not with that statement.

Do you honestly think the owners don't want to win a cup and maximize revenues? Hawks, Rangers and Leafs are the most valuable franchises in the league and they all want to win a cup just like watching the Leafs multiple times going all in (although clearly mismanaged). When the Hawks won 3 in the last decade, revenues went through the roof. This is a business, anyone in the league will tell you that.

Kane isn't going to waive for many places besides NY and maybe Vegas or Buffalo (if they had their act together). There's no obsession, just working based on best knowledge available and also the first AGM I ever put together trading Kane to the NYR so slow your role guy.
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Revenue for the Rangers is the least of the teams concerns.


See response above...

No owner is in the business of owning a team to not win a cup and as such not maximizing revenues as a result of winning a cup. These are not "not for profit" organizations and the owners didn't get to where they are by not caring about revenues or maximizing returns on their investments. Maybe not popular with fans such as yourself, but don't fool yourself.
6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 58
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Good thing you aren't in business or at least I hope not with that statement.

Do you honestly think the owners don't want to win a cup and maximize revenues? Hawks, Rangers and Leafs are the most valuable franchises in the league and they all want to win a cup just like watching the Leafs multiple times going all in (although clearly mismanaged). When the Hawks won 3 in the last decade, revenues went through the roof. This is a business, anyone in the league will tell you that.

Kane isn't going to waive for many places besides NY and maybe Vegas or Buffalo (if they had their act together). There's no obsession, just working based on best knowledge available and also the first AGM I ever put together trading Kane to the NYR so slow your role guy.


The Rangers are better off making a trade for someone like Smith from Vegas or Kessel in Arizona. Both are rentals, cost less to acquire and don’t impact our cap situation next year.
6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 2
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See response above...

No owner is in the business of owning a team to not win a cup and as such not maximizing revenues as a result of winning a cup. These are not "not for profit" organizations and the owners didn't get to where they are by not caring about revenues or maximizing returns on their investments. Maybe not popular with fans such as yourself, but don't fool yourself.


Maybe you should check who brings in more money. The Rangers haven’t won in 30 years and still bring in more many than every other franchise than the league except for maybe Toronto or Montreal.
6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 4
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The Rangers are better off making a trade for someone like Smith from Vegas or Kessel in Arizona. Both are rentals, cost less to acquire and don’t impact our cap situation next year.


That's a fair statement, albeit not the upgrade kane would be but that's sound logic versus your earlier comments.

The other alternative is finding another valuable prospect in the Rangers system outside of Kappo (maybe additive pick as well) for Kane and having the Hawks retain Kane at 50% shaving another $750K off of the cap hit here, and moving more cap back to the Hawks. For the record, I don't want to lose Kane and hope he retires a Hawk as he is a living icon to the franchise, but Hawks need a rebuild and Kane shouldn't have to suffer through it the next few years.

What is the deal with Zibanjed? Will the Rangers bring him back and at what cap hit?
6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 5
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That's a fair statement, albeit not the upgrade kane would be but that's sound logic versus your earlier comments.

The other alternative is finding another valuable prospect in the Rangers system outside of Kappo (maybe additive pick as well) for Kane and having the Hawks retain Kane at 50% shaving another $750K off of the cap hit here, and moving more cap back to the Hawks. For the record, I don't want to lose Kane and hope he retires a Hawk as he is a living icon to the franchise, but Hawks need a rebuild and Kane shouldn't have to suffer through it the next few years.

What is the deal with Zibanjed? Will the Rangers bring him back and at what cap hit?


He’s been extended @ $9.5 mil. Concern is on 2C and what they do with Strome.
6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 6
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Maybe you should check who brings in more money. The Rangers haven’t won in 30 years and still bring in more many than every other franchise than the league except for maybe Toronto or Montreal.


I'm well up to speed on the team revenues and franchise values, but it's not relevant. That doesn't change owners wanting to win a cup, expand their fanbase and increasing their revenues. Just because Apple is the most valuable company in the world, do you see them lowering the costs of their phones every year just because they are the most valuable company?
6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 8
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See response above...

No owner is in the business of owning a team to not win a cup and as such not maximizing revenues as a result of winning a cup. These are not "not for profit" organizations and the owners didn't get to where they are by not caring about revenues or maximizing returns on their investments. Maybe not popular with fans such as yourself, but don't fool yourself.


Rangers are in the business of winning several cups and being a mainstay in the playoffs.

This trade is under the assumption that the Rangers even make it to the cup. You make it sound all to easy.

What do you think gives the Rangers the best chance to get to a cup and STAY cup contenders?

Picking up Kane for Kakko and then in turn losing Strome and Strome, well as not having no cap space.

Or picking up Pavelski as a 1yr rental for a run this year all the while being able to keep Kakko and both Stromes?
6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 9
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He’s been extended $9.5 mil. Concern is on 2C and what they do with Strome.


Qualify Dylan Strome instead. Playing between Kane and Panarin, anyone will look good. Also move Goodrow
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He’s been extended $9.5 mil. Concern is on 2C and what they do with Strome.


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