MAF and Da Haan and some depth

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	77 371 968 $	669 339 $	907 500 $	4 128 032 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Hyman, Zach 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 7	McDavid, Connor 12 500 000 $12 500 000 $ C UFA - 5	Puljujärvi, Jesse 1 175 000 $1 175 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 8	Draisaitl, Leon 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C, AG UFA - 4	Yamamoto, Kailer 1 175 000 $1 175 000 $ AD RFA - 1
Foegele, Warren 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	McLeod, Ryan 834 167 $834 167 $ (57 500 $$58K) C RFA - 1	Appleton, Mason 900 000 $900 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Dzingel, Ryan 550 000 $550 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 1	Sheahan, Riley 850 000 $850 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Sceviour, Colton 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1
Benson, Tyler 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Nurse, Darnell 5 600 000 $5 600 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Bouchard, Evan 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 2	Fleury, Marc-André 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
De Haan, Calvin 2 275 000 $2 275 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Ceci, Cody 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Smith, Mike 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ G UFA - 2
Keith, Duncan 5 538 462 $5 538 462 $ DG NMC UFA - 2	Barrie, Tyson 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD UFA - 3
Lagesson, William 725 000 $725 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

5 janv. 2022 à 10 h 31

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Think if the Oilers do deal their first in that trade, they'd want Fleury's cap hit retained, not deHaan's, thus leaving them with a bit more cap space to deal with for other trades.. The Seattle deal, although looks alright on paper, is kind of useless for Edmonton, they need a legit top 6 winger who would be an upgrade over Yamamoto, and/or a 3rd line C(even though I think McLeod deserves the ice time and chance to play as that need).. The other "need" if you will for Edmonton would be a bottom pairing left shot D man, somebody better than Koekkoek/Russell/Lagesson(even tho I think Lagesson is the best option of the 3 he doesn't get a legit shot for whatever reason).. I agree with the Fleury assessment too, maybe he can sign a 1/2 year deal with Edmonton, Smith likely gets injured, and it gives them a viable option and incredible mentor for a young Skinner to look up too, if that happens, the Oilers currently have just over $5.3mish in space, if the cap goes up by $1m that makes it just over $6m, plus Klefbom doesn't look like he will be returning adds another $4.167, basically leaving them with $10.4m to bring Fleur back and round out the bottom 6 forward group again...

5 janv. 2022 à 10 h 37

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definitely 50% retained on MAF, but other than that...looks good.

5 janv. 2022 à 14 h 2

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Think if the Oilers do deal their first in that trade, they'd want Fleury's cap hit retained, not deHaan's, thus leaving them with a bit more cap space to deal with for other trades.. The Seattle deal, although looks alright on paper, is kind of useless for Edmonton, they need a legit top 6 winger who would be an upgrade over Yamamoto, and/or a 3rd line C(even though I think McLeod deserves the ice time and chance to play as that need).. The other "need" if you will for Edmonton would be a bottom pairing left shot D man, somebody better than Koekkoek/Russell/Lagesson(even tho I think Lagesson is the best option of the 3 he doesn't get a legit shot for whatever reason).. I agree with the Fleury assessment too, maybe he can sign a 1/2 year deal with Edmonton, Smith likely gets injured, and it gives them a viable option and incredible mentor for a young Skinner to look up too, if that happens, the Oilers currently have just over $5.3mish in space, if the cap goes up by $1m that makes it just over $6m, plus Klefbom doesn't look like he will be returning adds another $4.167, basically leaving them with $10.4m to bring Fleur back and round out the bottom 6 forward group again...

In the Hawks trade they're taking Koskinen that's why there's no retention plus if they retain 50% on top of taking Koskinen then what's that going to cost, will they want another asset to take Koskinen??

I watched Appleton for years and he might be able to slot in the 2nd line and not look totally out of place so that's why I acquired him, might be able to get him for less then a 2nd so that could be adjusted. I grabbed Dzingle cause he too has played higher up in lineups before so could maybe be tried on the 2nd line, was just looking for guys to allow for some experimentation with lines to find something that might work and if not the bottom six at least got better.

I acquired Da Haan to put on the 2nd pair so to drop Keith down to the 3rd pair, Da Haan is a defense first type dman which Edmonton could really use.

I just don't know how many more assets the Oilers could blow to try to get better right now, who's a top 6 winger they could acquire? Really think they need to improve their bottom six more then their top 6.

5 janv. 2022 à 14 h 3

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Quoting: exo2769

definitely 50% retained on MAF, but other than that...looks good.

The Hawks are taking Koskinen so that's why there's no retention, not sure they'd take Koskinen and retain.

5 janv. 2022 à 14 h 13

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The Hawks are taking Koskinen so that's why there's no retention, not sure they'd take Koskinen and retain.

I think they will because Mikko's deal is up this year.

5 janv. 2022 à 14 h 14

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I think they will because Mikko's deal is up this year.

How much retention on MAF then?

5 janv. 2022 à 18 h 26

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How much retention on MAF then?

I think they'd do the full 50%.

MisstheWhalers a aimé ceci.

6 janv. 2022 à 10 h 43

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

In the Hawks trade they're taking Koskinen that's why there's no retention plus if they retain 50% on top of taking Koskinen then what's that going to cost, will they want another asset to take Koskinen??

I watched Appleton for years and he might be able to slot in the 2nd line and not look totally out of place so that's why I acquired him, might be able to get him for less then a 2nd so that could be adjusted. I grabbed Dzingle cause he too has played higher up in lineups before so could maybe be tried on the 2nd line, was just looking for guys to allow for some experimentation with lines to find something that might work and if not the bottom six at least got better.

I acquired Da Haan to put on the 2nd pair so to drop Keith down to the 3rd pair, Da Haan is a defense first type dman which Edmonton could really use.

I just don't know how many more assets the Oilers could blow to try to get better right now, who's a top 6 winger they could acquire? Really think they need to improve their bottom six more then their top 6.

But you have deHaan as salary retained, that doesn't make sense then.. IF Fleury is willing to waive his NTC and Edmonton is the destination, with or w/o Koskinen they're going to look to get some money retained on Fleury's deal, because they simply can not make it work under the cap with because of that.. I don't forsee Koskinen being as hard of a sell for teams out of the playoffs for Edmonton to unload, yes, the Oilers will need to add an asset to send him elsewhere, but I don't think it will be as significant of an asset if he is apart of a deal that gets a goalie like Fleury in return mainly because they'll already have other parts in a deal to make things work.. Also, I've watched a lot of Appleton as well over the years(I live in Winnipeg and watch the Jets and Moose quite a bit too) and I don't see him as an upgrade over Yamamoto, they're about the same type of player, just in different areas.. And lastly, everybody needs to get off the Duncan Keith hate bandwagon, dude has been their best d man since his return from his injury, he's saddled with a meh d partner, I think things would be different had the Hawks retained something on his deal, and if he was playing with say Bouchard or Barrie instead of Ceci.. Their 3rd line LH D man is the only area on the backend they really need to improve, but I'm not completely against giving Broberg/Koekkoek/Lagesson rotating spots in that pairing with Ceci instead of Barrie..

6 janv. 2022 à 12 h 2

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But you have deHaan as salary retained, that doesn't make sense then.. IF Fleury is willing to waive his NTC and Edmonton is the destination, with or w/o Koskinen they're going to look to get some money retained on Fleury's deal, because they simply can not make it work under the cap with because of that.. I don't forsee Koskinen being as hard of a sell for teams out of the playoffs for Edmonton to unload, yes, the Oilers will need to add an asset to send him elsewhere, but I don't think it will be as significant of an asset if he is apart of a deal that gets a goalie like Fleury in return mainly because they'll already have other parts in a deal to make things work.. Also, I've watched a lot of Appleton as well over the years(I live in Winnipeg and watch the Jets and Moose quite a bit too) and I don't see him as an upgrade over Yamamoto, they're about the same type of player, just in different areas.. And lastly, everybody needs to get off the Duncan Keith hate bandwagon, dude has been their best d man since his return from his injury, he's saddled with a meh d partner, I think things would be different had the Hawks retained something on his deal, and if he was playing with say Bouchard or Barrie instead of Ceci.. Their 3rd line LH D man is the only area on the backend they really need to improve, but I'm not completely against giving Broberg/Koekkoek/Lagesson rotating spots in that pairing with Ceci instead of Barrie..

The 50% retention difference between Fleury and Da Haan is only $1.225M so not that much really plus that's pretty much the salary relief you get from demoting Turris which is what I did here so its basically awash, it really makes little to no difference in this scenario.

Yeah Yamamoto is probably better but I still have him on the 2nd line here and Appleton on the 3rd, was trying to improve the Oilers bottom six which I think desperately needs some better players, Apples is bigger then Yamamoto and kills penalties, he'd be a good pickup for the Oilers.

I'm not hating on Keith, just acquired a defensive dman in
Da Haan to slot on the 2nd pair which allows Keith to improve the 3rd pair and not be tasked with so many minutes.

These are reasonable improvements to the Oilers without trading A-prospects like Holloway.

6 janv. 2022 à 12 h 11

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

The 50% retention difference between Fleury and Da Haan is only $1.225M so not that much really plus that's pretty much the salary relief you get from demoting Turris which is what I did here so its basically awash, it really makes little to no difference in this scenario.

Yeah Yamamoto is probably better but I still have him on the 2nd line here and Appleton on the 3rd, was trying to improve the Oilers bottom six which I think desperately needs some better players, Apples is bigger then Yamamoto and kills penalties, he'd be a good pickup for the Oilers.

I'm not hating on Keith, just acquired a defensive dman in
Da Haan to slot on the 2nd pair which allows Keith to improve the 3rd pair and not be tasked with so many minutes.

These are reasonable improvements to the Oilers without trading A-prospects like Holloway.

I agree, reasonable improvements out there available for Edmonton w/o paying an arm and a leg for! Point I was making, even Keith has been better than deHaan over the last 3 seasons they played together, so, why would things be different in Edmonton, and give deHaan more mins and responsibility over Keith? I like the idea of deHaan being in the third pairing for sure, but I also want to see Ceci in that pairing. I think he's been playing up in the lineup and has been ok, but that's not the 2nd pairing you need to win in the playoffs, maybe in a pinch should Bouch struggle a bit, or if there was an injury, but def not when they have their full lineup. Look at what made him successcul in Pitts, he was playing in the bottom pairing Letang, Marino were ahead of him, and he did quite well there.. Last part, the cap space retention does mean alot, it does not look like Turris will be demoted, and truthfully he's been decent when in the lineup, one of the better forwards from this past road trip.. So, the cap difference retaining Fleury's salary over deHaan's would actually come in to play..

6 janv. 2022 à 20 h 44

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I agree, reasonable improvements out there available for Edmonton w/o paying an arm and a leg for! Point I was making, even Keith has been better than deHaan over the last 3 seasons they played together, so, why would things be different in Edmonton, and give deHaan more mins and responsibility over Keith? I like the idea of deHaan being in the third pairing for sure, but I also want to see Ceci in that pairing. I think he's been playing up in the lineup and has been ok, but that's not the 2nd pairing you need to win in the playoffs, maybe in a pinch should Bouch struggle a bit, or if there was an injury, but def not when they have their full lineup. Look at what made him successcul in Pitts, he was playing in the bottom pairing Letang, Marino were ahead of him, and he did quite well there.. Last part, the cap space retention does mean alot, it does not look like Turris will be demoted, and truthfully he's been decent when in the lineup, one of the better forwards from this past road trip.. So, the cap difference retaining Fleury's salary over deHaan's would actually come in to play..

K so you want Da Haan and Keith swapped, got it!

Yeah its unlikely Turris would be demoted but he isn't doing much for them and if Holland had some good additions lined up (like in these great trades here for Edmonton.. 😉)he'd be foolish not to send him down, he'll get recalled at seasons end anyway when the cap doesn't matter.

Guess Chicago might retain on MAF AND take Koskinen for this but I doubt they'd retain the max 50%.

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		Russell, Kris 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
		Stalock, Alex 785 000 $785 000 $ G UFA - 1

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