Fleury Wasted So Many Years Of Prime Sid-Geno

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Créé par: Agent_Of_R9

Équipe: 2021-22 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 4 juill. 2021

Publié: 4 déc. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I used to be a big Fleury defender when he was still on the team. I knew he struggled every playoffs but I just didn't know who they could go after as a replacement. The guy was a 1st overall pick, I always had hope he would get better eventually but unfortunately it never happened. Looking back, I realized how overrated he was, outside of a strong 2007/08 Stanley Cup run, he was carried by the skater group every season. The Penguins from 2009-2014 had a 54% xGF share yet had the worst GSAx in the league every year. Even with average goaltending, they would've won the cup at least once during that period.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

CRÉÉ	ANS	CAP HIT
Crosby, Sidney	1	8 700 000 $
Malkin, Evgeni	1	8 700 000 $
Kunitz, Chris	1	3 725 000 $
Dupuis, Pascal	1	1 500 000 $
Hornqvist, Patric	1	4 250 000 $
Hagelin, Carl	1	750 000 $
Dubinsky, Brandon	1	4 200 000 $
Cooke, Matt	1	1 800 000 $
Letang, Kris	1	3 500 000 $
Martin, Paul	1	5 000 000 $
Vlasic, Marc-Edouard	1	3 100 000 $
Niskanen, Matt	1	2 300 000 $
Eaton, Mark	1	750 000 $
Lovejoy, Ben	1	750 000 $
Adams, Craig	1	750 000 $
Glass, Tanner	1	750 000 $
Vitale, Joe	1	750 000 $
Vokoun, Tomas	1	2 000 000 $
Gustavsson, Jonas	1	1 500 000 $
Bennett, Beau	1	800 000 $
Despres, Simon	1	800 000 $
Jokinen, Jussi	3	3 000 000 $

Transactions

PIT

Marc-Edouard Vlasic

SJS

Marc-Andre Fleury
Brooks Orpik

*Done During 2010 Offseason

PIT

Patric Hornqvist
2013 1st

NSH

Jordan Staal

*Done During 2012 Offseason

PIT

Brandon Dubinsky
Carl Hagelin

NYR

James Neal

PIT

Jussi Jokinen

CAR

*Signed As UFA In 2012

Rachats de contrats

Jack Johnson: 1 166 667 $

Enfoui

Juuso Riikola: 25 000 $ (1 150 000 $)

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2021
2022
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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	70 000 000 $	60 566 667 $	0 $	0 $	9 433 333 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $	Hornqvist, Patric 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
	Malkin, Evgeni 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $	Jokinen, Jussi 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
	Dubinsky, Brandon 4 200 000 $4 200 000 $	Dupuis, Pascal 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
	Adams, Craig 750 000 $750 000 $	Vitale, Joe 750 000 $750 000 $
Kunitz, Chris 3 725 000 $3 725 000 $
Hagelin, Carl 750 000 $750 000 $
Cooke, Matt 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
Glass, Tanner 750 000 $750 000 $

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
	Letang, Kris 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
	Niskanen, Matt 2 300 000 $2 300 000 $	Vokoun, Tomas 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
	Lovejoy, Ben 750 000 $750 000 $	Gustavsson, Jonas 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
Martin, Paul 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
Vlasic, Marc-Edouard 3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
Eaton, Mark 750 000 $750 000 $

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Bennett, Beau 800 000 $800 000 $		DeSmith, Casey 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ G UFA - 1
Despres, Simon 800 000 $800 000 $		Jarry, Tristan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ G UFA - 2
		McCann, Jared 2 940 000 $2 940 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1
		Zucker, Jason 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2
		Guentzel, Jake 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3
		Kapanen, Kasperi 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 1
		Rust, Bryan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
		Lafferty, Sam 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, C, AG UFA - 1
		Malkin, Evgeni 9 500 000 $9 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 1
		Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 4
		Carter, Jeff 2 636 364 $2 636 364 $ AD, C UFA - 1
		Tanev, Brandon 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 4
		Letang, Kris 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
		Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD UFA - 6
		Matheson, Michael 4 875 000 $4 875 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 5
		Dumoulin, Brian 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2
		Pettersson, Marcus 4 025 175 $4 025 175 $ DG UFA - 4

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Hornqvist, P.		Kunitz, C.		Crosby, S.
	Letang, K.		Malkin, E.

Avantage numérique 2
Hagelin, C.		Dubinsky, B.		Jokinen, J.
	Niskanen, M.		Martin, P.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Glass, T.	Adams, C.
	Martin, P.	Lovejoy, B.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Dubinsky, B.	Dupuis, P.
	Vlasic, M.	Niskanen, M.

4 déc. 2021 à 18 h 15

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Do you guys think the team I built would have won a cup or two?

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4 déc. 2021 à 18 h 22

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Put Lundqvist or Price on any of those years and I guarantee that you’d have more cups. Fleury outside of different moments was absolutely carried by the Penguins. This dude has great moments but is nowhere near as good or dominant as people make him seem to be.

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4 déc. 2021 à 18 h 43

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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448

Completely agree, I can’t believe people rank him as a first ballot HOF. Out of his 3 cups, only 2017 was a legitimate one (even there he didn’t play the full tournament). He had more choke jobs than successes.

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4 déc. 2021 à 18 h 47

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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary

My biggest issue was they definitely could’ve made it further a few more years if he hadn’t choked as bad as he did. Lucky for him they had a great team and won 3 times. If he were on the Habs or Rangers he would’ve never carried a team anywhere close to a finals appearance.

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4 déc. 2021 à 18 h 54

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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448

Absolutely. Put him on another team he wouldn’t win as much.

4 déc. 2021 à 18 h 59

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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448

Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary

I think it’s the style of goaltending he plays that hurts him. Positioning is probably one of his main problems that Lund and price don’t really have.

4 déc. 2021 à 18 h 59

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they won three cups and he's one of sid's best friends. i'm sure he doesn't regret too much about how that went down.

4 déc. 2021 à 19 h 2

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Quoting: capsfan2121

I think it’s the style of goaltending he plays that hurts him. Positioning is probably one of his main problems that Lund and price don’t really have.

Yeah he tries to show off his athleticism a bit too much but the basics aren’t very good, like he gives up so many rebounds.

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4 déc. 2021 à 19 h 3

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Quoting: bagelbob

they won three cups and he's one of sid's best friends. i'm sure he doesn't regret too much about how that went down.

HE may not regret it but I’m sure the Pens do. Bylsma & Shero had to sacrifice themselves to keep him.

4 déc. 2021 à 19 h 6

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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary

Yeah he tries to show off his athleticism a bit too much but the basics aren’t very good, like he gives up so many rebounds.

Yes. It should have been 7-2 when we played Chicago. We had him beat. But we hit the post 4 post in reg and 2 in the shootout

4 déc. 2021 à 19 h 19

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No chance they would’ve done anything of note with the core you ensembled

4 déc. 2021 à 19 h 25

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Quoting: capsfan2121

Yes. It should have been 7-2 when we played Chicago. We had him beat. But we hit the post 4 post in reg and 2 in the shootout

Fleury has always been extremely lucky vs WSH.

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4 déc. 2021 à 19 h 26

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Quoting: IconicHawk

No chance they would’ve done anything of note with the core you ensembled

Why not? What pieces aren’t good?

4 déc. 2021 à 19 h 28

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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary

Do you guys think the team I built would have won a cup or two?

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I think you win a couple

4 déc. 2021 à 20 h 11

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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary

Why not? What pieces aren’t good?

Not really playoff worthy goaltending

4 déc. 2021 à 20 h 12

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Quoting: IconicHawk

Not really playoff worthy goaltending

That’s fair, but keep in mind the Penguins in 2 of their 3 cup wins got subpar goaltending.

4 déc. 2021 à 20 h 18

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Guess his Vezina Trophy last year was a fluke. LOL

4 déc. 2021 à 20 h 21

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Quoting: delneggs

Guess his Vezina Trophy last year was a fluke. LOL

He was the best goalie last season no doubt. But with PIT he was garbage.

4 déc. 2021 à 20 h 38

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i think it's a combination of that, plus the lack of depth we had. It's funny to look back at the rosters with like 2 injuries, and all of a sudden Craig Adams is our 2nd line RWer. We never really had a chance til the HBK line became a thing

4 déc. 2021 à 21 h 0

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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary

He was the best goalie last season no doubt. But with PIT he was garbage.

Yeah, 375 wins, 44 shutouts, 0.912 save% and 2.58 GAA really is garbage. LOL

4 déc. 2021 à 21 h 8

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Yeah, 375 wins, 44 shutouts, 0.912 save% and 2.58 GAA really is garbage. LOL

When you consider the team in front of him, it's really not impressive.

4 déc. 2021 à 21 h 13

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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary

When you consider the team in front of him, it's really not impressive.

That is an absolutely absurd statement.

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Quoting: delneggs

That is an absolutely absurd statement.

Look at the stats. From 2009-2014 he ranked last amongst starters in goals saved above expected during the playoffs. He was garbage.

4 déc. 2021 à 21 h 23

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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary

Look at the stats. From 2009-2014 he ranked last amongst starters in goals saved above expected during the playoffs. He was garbage.

But THAT had nothing to do with teams in front of him, it was all his fault. I bet as a Pens fan you respect Mario, so why would Mario keep him around is he was garbage as you say? I would think Mario knows a little more about hockey than you do. My bet is Mario would tell you the same as me, your being absurd.

4 déc. 2021 à 21 h 27

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Mario also approved the GM’s decision to sign Jack Johnson to a 6 year contract to be the team’s top pair defender. Sometimes the higher ups are loyal to players who aren’t good.

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