I wanted to see what this roster could look like next year with the only newcomer to the organization being Barkov. It will be tough to tear him from Florida being that he's their captain, they are contenders right now, and Florida has no state income tax, but I think we could have the cap space to do it if he's open to becoming the highest paid player in the league.
You'll see a good amount of the roster below banks on our top prospects taking steps this season and being NHL-ready by next season. These include Veleno, Raymond, Berggren, and McIsaac namely.
There's a bit of a logjam at center here, I'm not sure who the organization prefers moving to the wing, but I believe they like Veleno on the wing more than Ras. I'm not sure how I feel about Veleno getting fourth line minutes and assignments, but there are who I believe to be better players ahead of him on the wings.
The Zadina AAV is assuming he has a solid year and makes big strides, but doesn't have an insane breakout year. Hopefully it ends up being very team friendly in the following years, he remains an RFA on expiry.
I brought back Leddy, Greiss, and Fabbri and didn't shop around the league in order to keep this focused on the Barkov pickup. Not sure how correct I got their AAVs, but I don't think they can be judged too much before this upcoming season even starts. Cossa should spend the 22-23 season as the Griffins starter in the AHL.
In year 1 after signing Barkov (22-23), this team is young but certainly contending for a playoff spot. In year 2, they're a lock for the playoffs, and in the next 5 years after that I'd say they are firmly in their contention window, hopefully with Cossa and Ned sharing the net.
Let me know what you think but don't grill me too hard, this is my first time doing one of these.
And look where the leaves you. You has as much room as this Red Wings AGM is offering Barkov before you sign 6-7 (really they need a 22 man roster minimum, not a 20 man one, so that number is actually 8-9) other guys. They are in trouble.
Those 6-7 players get them to a 22-man roster. Also, because of taxes, the Wings must offer at least 750k more than the Panthers to just match the Panthers offer. After that, they'll have to pay more for the fact they can't offer an 8th year.
If Barkov hits free agency (which is rumored he will not), the Wings could maybe get him for 7x14M but no less. The Panthers can ship players like Hornqvist out and create 5M of additional cap space.
Your original statement, that the Wings could get him for much less trouble is just foolish, though
Those 6-7 players get them to a 22-man roster. Also, because of taxes, the Wings must offer at least 750k more than the Panthers to just match the Panthers offer. After that, they'll have to pay more for the fact they can't offer an 8th year.
If Barkov hits free agency (which is rumored he will not), the Wings could maybe get him for 7x14M but no less. The Panthers can ship players like Hornqvist out and create 5M of additional cap space.
Your original statement, that the Wings could get him for much less trouble is just foolish, though
Um, no. 6-7 players bring them to a 20-21 man roster. Even with Hornqvist's 5 mil, their depth will be decimated. It would require more league minimum contracts on their team than even Toronto has while having half their cap tied up in 4 players. Welcome to cap hell, enjoy your stay.
You seem to have misunderstood my original statement. It wasn't that Detroit could pay less, its that Barkov is more likely to leave than many expect. See cap hell and the decimation to their depth if they re-sign him for reasons why. Their best shot at a cup is this year, its only downhill from here.
Um, no. 6-7 players bring them to a 20-21 man roster. Even with Hornqvist's 5 mil, their depth will be decimated. It would require more league minimum contracts on their team than even Toronto has while having half their cap tied up in 4 players.
You have to also count Barkov. After they've signed him, they have 15 players under contract. 7 more and you have 22. Also, of those 7, at least Lundell and Denisenko are A-level prospects on their ELCs. They'll have just ~5 players on league minimum deals.
Toronto has 6 players making 1M or less in 21-22, Tampa has 8. And the only standout prospect either team has is Sandin
You have to also count Barkov. After they've signed him, they have 15 players under contract. 7 more and you have 22. Also, of those 7, at least Lundell and Denisenko are A-level prospects on their ELCs. They'll have just ~5 players on league minimum deals.
Toronto has 6 players making 1M or less in 21-22, Tampa has 8. And the only standout prospect either team has is Sandin
You are adding Barkov but forget to remove Hornqvist. Only 5 on league minimums? The room for Barkov just went down and we havn't even mentioned Tippett or the arb eligible players yet.
You are adding Barkov but forget to remove Hornqvist. Only 5 on league minimums? The room for Barkov just went down and we havn't even mentioned Tippett or the arb eligible players yet.
Yeah, but if you're removing Hornqvist, you have 20M+ to sign Barkov and 8 players.
And, yes, the Panthers will have just 5 players making less than 1M, not counting the Entry level deals, of course, because standout rookies tend to deliver much more than their paycheck suggests.
Also, Lammikko is the only arbitration eligible RFA, and he might not even be in the Panthers' future plans. Tippett won't get too much unless he explodes this next season. Tolvanen just got 3x1,4M and he is a really close comparable
And, yes, the Panthers will have just 5 players making less than 1M, not counting the Entry level deals, of course, because standout rookies tend to deliver much more than their paycheck suggests.
You are also leaving out that guys like Lundell and Denisenko cost more than their paycheck suggests too due to bonuses that those performances give them. which count against the cap and makes the problem after Barkov, Huberdeau and Knight, much harder if the penalty carries over.
3x1.4 for Tippett? Thats 2 league minimums, the number for Barkov just dropped again. You notice how that happening a lot as you try to sign those extra 6-7-8 guys? Uh oh.
You are also leaving out that guys like Lundell and Denisenko cost more than their paycheck suggests due to bonuses that those performances give them.
Yep, but the bonuses will count towards the cap in 23-24 provided the two won't play their rookie seasons this year. Then, it all gets better when both Yandle's buyout penalty eases and Darling's expires
Yep, but the bonuses will count towards the cap in 23-24 provided the two won't play their rookie seasons this year. Then, it all gets better when both Yandle's buyout penalty eases and Darling's expires
Thats too late for Huberdeau, Knight and Denisenko though.
3x1.4 for Tippett? Thats 2 league minimums, the number for Barkov just dropped again and don't forget the cap increase so that number is actually low for a comparable. You notice how that happening a lot as you try to sign those extra 6-7-8 guys? Uh oh.
Thats too late for Huberdeau, Knight and Denisenko though.
3x1.4 for Tippett? Thats 2 league minimums, the number for Barkov just dropped again. You notice how that happening a lot as you try to sign those extra 6-7-8 guys? Uh oh.
Look, if the Wings offer 14M to Barkov, the Panthers can match it with 13,1M and Barkov is left with the same amount of money. Then the Panthers can drop the price tag even more, thanks to the 8th year they're able to offer him. On the open market, they could get him for ~12,5M. And that's if we presume Detroit and Sunrise are on par as homes. (before next offseason it would be less thanks to the absence of a bidding war. Barkov is rumored to get 8x10,5M)
And if they have 20M+ after trading Hornqvist, they have 7,5M to sign 8 players. It's definitely doable.
Look, if the Wings offer 14M to Barkov, the Panthers can match it with 13,1M and Barkov is left with the same amount of money. Then the Panthers can drop the price tag even more, thanks to the 8th year they're able to offer him. On the open market, they could get him for ~12,5M. And that's if we presume Detroit and Sunrise are on par as homes. (before next offseason it would be less thanks to the absence of a bidding war. Barkov is rumored to get 8x10,5M)
And if they have 20M+ after trading Hornqvist, they have 7,5M to sign 8 players. It's definitely doable.
You seem to think free agents will give Florida a deal of some kind but that hasn't been true for anyone they've signed. Bob being the big example for a comparable big deal.
You seem to think free agents will give Florida a deal of some kind but that hasn't been true for anyone they've signed. Bob being the big example for a comparable big deal.
Oh, it's just a fact that the Panthers can offer 6% less than Detroit and the value would be equal. Also, if Barkov doesn't think he'll get more than 8,5M after this next deal expires (he will be 35), then 8x12,5M from Florida is a better option than 7x14M from Detroit
The Bob deal was just Tallon desperately trying to save his job. It's an exception, not the rule. The whole offseason was a cluster dump. (Connolly, Strålman, Bob)
Oh, it's just a fact that the Panthers can offer 6% less than Detroit and the value would be equal. Also, if Barkov doesn't think he'll get more than 8,5M after this next deal expires (he will be 35), then 8x12,5M from Florida is a better option than 7x14M from Detroit
The Bob deal was just Tallon desperately trying to save his job. It's an exception, not the norm. The whole offseason was a cluster dump. (Connolly, Strålman, Bob)
That is a fact. Its also a fact that it hasn't helped drop the amount other UFAs Florida have signed.
I get it, you're a Florida fan and you think its all going to go in your favor. Life doesn't work that way.
That is a fact. Its also a fact that it hasn't helped drop the amount other UFAs Florida have signed.
Again, if you're just looking at the 2019 offseason. Instead, look at what the Panthers did in 2020 and this offseason. For example, Montour this year and Duclair the last could have gotten a lot more had they not decided to play in Florida
Oh, it's just a fact that the Panthers can offer 6% less than Detroit and the value would be equal. Also, if Barkov doesn't think he'll get more than 8,5M after this next deal expires (he will be 35), then 8x12,5M from Florida is a better option than 7x14M from Detroit
The Bob deal was just Tallon desperately trying to save his job. It's an exception, not the rule. The whole offseason was a cluster dump. (Connolly, Strålman, Bob)
Michigan income tax is 4.25%, not 6.00%.
$14,000,000 after Michigan income tax is $13,405,000.
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