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Ari - Tor Blockbuster

Créé par: IjustNEEDaTROYgamble
Publié: 7 sept. 2021 à 19 h 13
Plafond salarial: 81 500 000 $
Journées à la saison: 186/186 (100%)
Détermination du registraire central: Cette transaction a rempli les différents critères exigés par le registraire central de la LNH.

Logo de Coyotes de l'ArizonaCoyotes de l'Arizona

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Schmaltz, NickCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-5 850 000 $111---0000--
Chychrun, JakobCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-4 600 000 $111---0000--
Keller, ClaytonCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-7 150 000 $111---0000--
Timmins, ConorExempté du ballottageCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-850 000 $111---0000--
Hayton, BarrettExempté du ballottageCoyotes de l'ArizonaMineures-0 $011---0000--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Rielly, MorganMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-5 000 000 $111---0000--
Dermott, TravisMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-1 500 000 $111---0000--
Matthews, AustonMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-11 640 250 $111---0000--
Mikheyev, IlyaMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-1 645 000 $111---0000--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial11 946 383 $22456951412
Variation-1 335 250 $0-1-1000
Final10 611 133 $ (↓)2244 (↓)68 (↓)51412000

Logo de Maple Leafs de TorontoMaple Leafs de Toronto

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Rielly, MorganMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-5 000 000 $111---0000--
Dermott, TravisMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-1 500 000 $111---0000--
Matthews, AustonMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-11 640 250 $111---0000--
Mikheyev, IlyaMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-1 645 000 $111---0000--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Schmaltz, NickCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-5 850 000 $111---0000--
Chychrun, JakobCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-4 600 000 $111---0000--
Keller, ClaytonCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-7 150 000 $111---0000--
Timmins, ConorExempté du ballottageCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-850 000 $111---0000--
Hayton, BarrettExempté du ballottageCoyotes de l'ArizonaMineures-0 $011---0000--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial0 $234771358
Variation1 335 250 $011000
Final1 335 250 $ (↑)2348 (↑)72 (↑)358000
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8 sept. 2021 à 0 h 3
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Before we get too far, let's just accept that we are not 'living in the real world' when discussing trades like this. These types of 'massive trades' just don't happen.

That said, at first glance, this is very interesting. If we go back to 2016-2017, AZ is giving up 503 pts while TOR is giving up 651. If we use the general rule of 2A:1G, AZ is looking at a net gain of 217G over that span or roughly 43G per season. That's better than a half-goal per game. That would be huge. So it would seem that AZ is winning the trade. However, if we look at production last year, AZ is giving up 115 pts in return for 124 from TOR. That seems much more even.

While everybody seems to think AZ wins, I actually think they decline. Here's why...

In terms of contract years at current AAV, the Coyotes are trading 18 years in return for 7. That is NOT the direction a rebuilding team wants to go. They want the opposite. They have Keller, Schmaltz & Chychrun locked up for the next several years. Meanwhile, Rielly will want a raise next year and I highly doubt Matthews will be willing to take much of a pay cut when his current contract expires.

So I guess it boils down to this... From a fan's perspective (wanting to see results 'right now'), AZ wins. From a GM's perspective (trying to build a franchise), TOR wins.

But again, yes, very interesting.

Side note: Leaving Glendale will be the best thing that happens to AZ. They need to build a rink in PHOENIX. Playing in a rink 45 minutes down the road is NOT helping their cause. After all, nobody wants to go watch a hockey game and have a couple beers, then drive home through the most unforgiving DUI county in the entire USA. Get them to PHX and they will start making money. Then we can start talking about 'blockbuster' trades.
8 sept. 2021 à 0 h 34
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Quoting: UncleChucker
Before we get too far, let's just accept that we are not 'living in the real world' when discussing trades like this. These types of 'massive trades' just don't happen.

That said, at first glance, this is very interesting. If we go back to 2016-2017, AZ is giving up 503 pts while TOR is giving up 651. If we use the general rule of 2A:1G, AZ is looking at a net gain of 217G over that span or roughly 43G per season. That's better than a half-goal per game. That would be huge. So it would seem that AZ is winning the trade. However, if we look at production last year, AZ is giving up 115 pts in return for 124 from TOR. That seems much more even.

While everybody seems to think AZ wins, I actually think they decline. Here's why...

In terms of contract years at current AAV, the Coyotes are trading 18 years in return for 7. That is NOT the direction a rebuilding team wants to go. They want the opposite. They have Keller, Schmaltz & Chychrun locked up for the next several years. Meanwhile, Rielly will want a raise next year and I highly doubt Matthews will be willing to take much of a pay cut when his current contract expires.

So I guess it boils down to this... From a fan's perspective (wanting to see results 'right now'), AZ wins. From a GM's perspective (trying to build a franchise), TOR wins.

But again, yes, very interesting.

Side note: Leaving Glendale will be the best thing that happens to AZ. They need to build a rink in PHOENIX. Playing in a rink 45 minutes down the road is NOT helping their cause. After all, nobody wants to go watch a hockey game and have a couple beers, then drive home through the most unforgiving DUI county in the entire USA. Get them to PHX and they will start making money. Then we can start talking about 'blockbuster' trades.


Before we get too far, why are we even going anywhere? People who write blockbuster in their trades just wanna seem important. Ignore em.
8 sept. 2021 à 0 h 48
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In a hypothetical world, it really isn't that far off. Granted, this 'hypothetical world' assumes that players don't have any preference in where they play and they don't care who they play with. But in terms of 'production right now', it really isn't all that terrible. It would just be a question of whether or not AZ thinks they are in a position to 'win now' (they aren't; they don't).

All of that aside, have you seen the picks AZ has stacked up?!?!?!?! Dear lord.... Even if they hit on 1/3 of them, they may very well have a cup-contending team in 3-4 years with a roster full of RFA's.... Then again, the franchise is a dumpster fire so they'll probably draft a 'roll of the world's best hockey tape' with one of their firsts and a 'bag of slightly used pucks' with two of their second rounders....
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8 sept. 2021 à 14 h 31
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Before we get too far, why are we even going anywhere? People who write blockbuster in their trades just wanna seem important. Ignore em.


Says the guy who acts like the commish
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8 sept. 2021 à 14 h 33
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Quoting: IjustNEEDaTROYgamble
Says the guy who acts like the commish


I do. feel free to consider that an issue and a thing you don't like.

Doesn't change any part of how dumb saying blockbuster on 500 trades is and just throwing names around like a big shot.

If you don't like my comments, block me. But every time I see a waste of a trade I will say so. Even if you can't read it.
8 sept. 2021 à 18 h 28
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Quoting: IjustNEEDaTROYgamble
Says the guy who acts like the commish


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