Josi was the Norris trophy winner two seasons ago. Don’t get me wrong, I think Slavin is really good at what he does. I think the gap between the offensive ability between the two is greater than the defensive ability between the two. In other words, Josi provides more defense than Slavin does offense. I think we’ll see it this season when Carolina doesn’t have a very good offensive defenseman how important they can be.

As for the other one, I like Aho and think he’s a great player. Bergeron is a great center as well. Going off one season isn’t fair to Eichel though. He was hurt and he was playing in Buffalo. We’ve seen the numbers that he can put up. They’re impressive, especially in Buffalo. Just ask Taylor Hall.

TDA is a 50 point D man, and speaking from an underlying number's perspective, Josi is HORRIBLE defensively. That's what the numbers suggest, meaning Slavin's defense is superior to Josi's offense, Plus, Slavin is a 30 point D man which helps.

Hall was on Eichel's wing! As soon as he was with Krejci he looked revitalized. That's my point here!

So youre saying krejci if he was still in the league should be on here instead of eichel?

No, I'm saying Eichel is badly overrated. How can you say that a dude who just put up 2 whole goals is better than someone who had 30? Especially a forward, if this was a defenseman, that's different, but their job is to score

You sound like a habs fan

TDA is a 50 point D man, and speaking from an underlying number's perspective, Josi is HORRIBLE defensively. That's what the numbers suggest, meaning Slavin's defense is superior to Josi's offense, Plus, Slavin is a 30 point D man which helps.

Hall was on Eichel's wing! As soon as he was with Krejci he looked revitalized. That's my point here!

This right here is absolutely delusional (the top paragraph)

Numbers don't lie. Josi's xGA is worse than Burns.

Perfect example of why fancy stats for d men are literal garbage. I know it’s really hard, but you could watch! It’s a good sport, check it out sometime. Spreadsheets are boring.

I do watch, but what you see isn't always what happens! You should check numbers out sometimes, they give what you're watching meaning! People like you are why I love analytics. The contrast between them sometimes is so fun. Josi is statistically GARBAGE defensively. He always has been.

My bad. You should learn how to watch. Tough game to pick up late in life, I’ll give you that.

I've been playing hockey since I was 4... you should learn math! Now THAT is a hard skill to pick up late in life. Learning to count so late must suck.

I’m actually pretty good with numbers. But trying to put a numerical value on something that is: a. Subjective, and b. Has too many variables to account for, is just really lazy. This isn’t something numbers can do. Perfect example, you saying josi sucks defensively.

How someone plays defensively is not subjective. It's very easy to quantify, depending on what you want to look at. Shot surpression, chances given up, high danger chances given up, etc... Josi ranks horribly in all of them (these are all only ES metrics). What's lazy is you not bothering to understand analytics place in the game! Most organizations use them, including Carolina, Toronto, Montreal, Tampa Bay, Los Angeles, Chicago, Florida etc

It’s something that someone with a ridiculously simplistic view of hockey, and a very low understanding of the game would think could be quantified. You grow up playing hockey in North Carolina? That would add up.

I'm not from North Carolina buddy, now you're assuming and you're wrong. Stop digging your hole deeper. I've been playing hockey since you were in diapers. Seeing as you joined the site in April this year, I'm assuming you're new to hockey, only just turned 13, or only just became a hardcore fan. Please stop talking.

I actually played professionally for a couple years, albeit not at a super high level. Hockey east. Junior. All that jazz.

Sorry, South Carolina then? You have yourself a good one sweetie.

Replace Kaprizov with Ovi or Gaudreau, he's not a top 10 winger (yet). Pavs and Guentzel should probably be on this list.

Heiskanen and Jones should be here (despite Jones bad year, hes still elite)

Binnington was kinda 1 and done at elite, replace him with Markstrom, whos numbers this year were severly effected by his mid-season concussion

Bro, I'm not american, stop digging your hole deeper 🤣🤣

Sure you played professionally. I'm sure you spent less time playing professionally than Scott Foster

Ovi is already on there. Kaprizov is better than gaudreau sorry, tho he was in consideration.
The last RD spot was between heiskanen and klingberg. Im a big klingberg fan so maybe that was the reason i decided he was better. Jones shouldnt be anywhere near this list.
Binnington is only on here because of his ceiling. But markstrom was never in consideration. There are a bunch of guys not on this list that are ahead of him.

I missed Ovi, no idea how I didn't see that

Kaprizov is definitely not better than Gaudreau, at his age Gaudreau was over a ppg.

Im curious to see your list of goalies before Markstrom since Markstrom is definitely better Binnington, Demko, and Lehner

What does his age have to do with anything. At draisaitls age crosby was better. At every LWs age ovi was better. Rn if i have a game 7 coming im taking kaprizov over gaudreau its that simple.
Saying markstrom is better than lehner and demko is ignorant.
I have a bunch of guys not on the list that id rather over markstrom.
(Not in any order)
Shesterkin
Blackwood
Andersen
Ullmark
Campbell
Talbot
Kuemper
Bishop (but he hasnt played in like 2 years so its not so clear)
Driedger
And i wasnt including anyone who was a rookie last year like
Sorokin
Nedeljkovic
Swayman
Knight
Bc i havent seen enough to compare them. (Shesterkin was also technically a rookie but hed played in the 19-20 season so i counted him).

I do watch, but what you see isn't always what happens! You should check numbers out sometimes, they give what you're watching meaning! People like you are why I love analytics. The contrast between them sometimes is so fun. Josi is statistically GARBAGE defensively. He always has been.

TDA is a 50 point D man, and speaking from an underlying number's perspective, Josi is HORRIBLE defensively. That's what the numbers suggest, meaning Slavin's defense is superior to Josi's offense, Plus, Slavin is a 30 point D man which helps.

Hall was on Eichel's wing! As soon as he was with Krejci he looked revitalized. That's my point here!