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Leafs ReillyForsberg plus Bertuzzi

Créé par: JestingCobra
Date de création initiale: jui 30, 2021
Publié: 30 jui à 5 h 15
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Bertuzzi, Tyler33 750 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Menell, Brennan1800 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler [Droits de RFA]
DET
  1. 2022 2e round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Forsberg, Filip
  2. 2022 4e round pick (NSH)
Détails additionnels:
NSH retains $2,000,000 (33%)
NSH
  1. Rielly, Morgan
  2. Mikheyev, Ilya
  3. 2022 1e round pick (TOR)
  4. 2023 2e round pick (TOR)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
NSH
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2024
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $82 438 116 $0 $400 000 $-938 116 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Bertuzzi, Tyler
3 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 3
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 4
NSH
Forsberg, Filip
6 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Bunting, Michael
950 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
TOR
Kämpf, David
1 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Mrázek, Petr
3 800 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 1
Menell, Brennan
800 000 $

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Simmonds, W.
Tavares, J.
Matthews, A.
Marner, M.
Brodie, T.
Avantage numérique 2
Forsberg, F.
Spezza, J.
Bertuzzi, T.
Nylander, W.
Sandin, R.
Infériorité numérique 1
Kämpf, D.
Engvall, P.
Muzzin, J.
Holl, J.
Infériorité numérique 2
Kerfoot, A.
Marner, M.
Dermott, T.
Brodie, T.

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30 jui à 5 h 19
#1
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Another absolutely ridiculous offer for Bertuzzi.

If Nashville moves Forsberg it's for futures because he won't resign. Not for a package including another UFA and a bottom 6 guy they don't need.
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30 jui à 5 h 21
#2
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Detroit does not have to trade Bertuzzi.

Bertuzzi have not asked for a trade.

Detroit have not put Bertuzzi on the block.

This is you trying to trade for a player Detroit doesn't want to lose.
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30 jui à 5 h 23
#3
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Quoting: Billy12Bob
Detroit does not have to trade Bertuzzi.

Bertuzzi have not asked for a trade.

Detroit have not put Bertuzzi on the block.

This is you trying to trade for a player Detroit doesn't want to lose.


Typical Maple Leaf fan: "We'll throw in Engvall to make it fair!"

Thinks about it...

"But you send back a 4th!"
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30 jui à 5 h 52
#4
Rejoint: jui 2021
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I would rather keep Rielly and lose him for nothing than end up with a defensive pairing of Dermott/Holl. That's a horrible pairing.
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30 jui à 5 h 58
#5
arky
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What makes you think that Yzerman will or wants to trade Bertuzzi and why would he accept this offer?
30 jui à 6 h 08
#6
Malkinwants2beTheMan
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Matthews for a 7th.
30 jui à 6 h 23
#7
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Quoting: Letter_Kenny
Matthews for a 7th.


To be a true Leafs trade proposal on here it has to include Engvall or Mikheyev. I think it's a AGM rule now.

So Matthews, Mikheyev, and Engvall for a 7th.
30 jui à 6 h 28
#8
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Once again Bertuzzi isn't on the market, And once again a lousy late 2nd is nowhere near enough for Tyler.
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30 jui à 6 h 41
#9
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William Nylander for a 2024 3rd round pick, yeah that's how much this offer is garbage.
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30 jui à 6 h 47
#10
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So Forsberg (2M Retained) for a dman we have no use for and would have to turn around and find a trading partner and hope the return is worth trading Forsberg for, a bottom 6 forward we don't have room for, the picks are fine... the rest is useless to us or cause more problems then worth
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30 jui à 6 h 50
#11
ICantChangeMyNameYet
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Holy.

This is just all around terrible.
30 jui à 7 h 10
#12
Go Wings Go
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laugh laugh 3 years of Tyler Bertuzzi would cost $4,850,000 per year not your lowball $3,750,000 Learn how contract's work?
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30 jui à 8 h 03
#13
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JestingCobra
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Once again Bertuzzi isn't on the market, And once again a lousy late 2nd is nowhere near enough for Tyler.


https://wingsnation.com/2021/07/13/red-wings-listening-to-offers-on-f-tyler-bertuzzi-open-to-trade-for-right-price/
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/31-thoughts-nhls-olympic-participation-stands-off-season-begins/ sarcasm
30 jui à 8 h 05
#14
Malkinwants2beTheMan
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Quoting: JestingCobra
https://wingsnation.com/2021/07/13/red-wings-listening-to-offers-on-f-tyler-bertuzzi-open-to-trade-for-right-price/
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/31-thoughts-nhls-olympic-participation-stands-off-season-begins/ sarcasm


"For the right price." Nuff said.
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30 jui à 8 h 16
#15
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Quoting: JestingCobra
https://wingsnation.com/2021/07/13/red-wings-listening-to-offers-on-f-tyler-bertuzzi-open-to-trade-for-right-price/
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/31-thoughts-nhls-olympic-participation-stands-off-season-begins/ sarcasm


First off listening to offers doesn't mean he's on the market, Yzerman is just taking calls and has said numerous times in his pressers that he wants to keep Tyler long term. And secondly yzerman said it would take the Mantha deal for him to move Bertuzzi and a freaking late 2nd is nowhere near the Mantha deal.
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30 jui à 9 h 15
#16
arky
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Quoting: JestingCobra
https://wingsnation.com/2021/07/13/red-wings-listening-to-offers-on-f-tyler-bertuzzi-open-to-trade-for-right-price/
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/31-thoughts-nhls-olympic-participation-stands-off-season-begins/ sarcasm


Just because he is listening does not mean he will trade him for nothing. Hell Gretzsky was traded. Anyone can be traded. He is listening and that is what a GM should do, but to say he is listening and he is shopping are two totally different things. He probably has had GM' s call on all his players from Bertuzzi, Larkin, Sieder and his 1st, and he has what he would want if he were to pull the trigger. Becuase he is listening does not mean he will take anything less than what he believes is fair market value.

That being said a late round 2nd is NOT what he would be looking for in a trade for Bertuzzi.
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30 jui à 9 h 17
#17
Banni
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Quoting: GoodIdeaAtTheTime
Typical Maple Leaf fan: "We'll throw in Engvall to make it fair!"

Thinks about it...

"But you send back a 4th!"


My question for you is:

**SINCE WHEN DID BERTUZZI HAVE NEGATIVE VALUE?**
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30 jui à 9 h 20
#18
Banni
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That’s the new million dollar question
30 jui à 9 h 38
#19
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JestingCobra
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
First off listening to offers doesn't mean he's on the market, Yzerman is just taking calls and has said numerous times in his pressers that he wants to keep Tyler long term. And secondly yzerman said it would take the Mantha deal for him to move Bertuzzi and a freaking late 2nd is nowhere near the Mantha deal.


You sound read mad my dude. If only there was another example of Yzerman sticking by a young player on his team on to trade him later neutral https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/04/20/jonathan-drouin-tampa-bay-lightning-stanley-cup-playoffs/83280728/
30 jui à 9 h 41
#20
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Quoting: ZachHymanForTheHart
Holy.

This is just all around terrible.


Aww thank you
30 jui à 9 h 42
#21
Banni
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Quoting: ZachHymanForTheHart
Holy.

This is just all around terrible.


Congrats your one of the few leafs fans that have logic
30 jui à 9 h 47
#22
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Quoting: JestingCobra
You sound read mad my dude. If only there was another example of Yzerman sticking by a young player on his team on to trade him later neutral https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/04/20/jonathan-drouin-tampa-bay-lightning-stanley-cup-playoffs/83280728/


I'm not mad just stating a fact, Bertuzzi isn't on the market. as far as Drouin was concerned he had an attitude problem which Bertuzzi doesn't. Drouin thought he was better then everyone else just because he was picked higher and Yzerman didn't like his attitude.
30 jui à 9 h 59
#23
arky
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Modifié 30 jui à 10 h 07
Quoting: JestingCobra
You sound read mad my dude. If only there was another example of Yzerman sticking by a young player on his team on to trade him later neutral https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/04/20/jonathan-drouin-tampa-bay-lightning-stanley-cup-playoffs/83280728/


Talk about comparing apples and oranges. Do you even know the situation that took place in Tampa? I will assume you either do not or just being a typical Leaf fan and trying to justify a stance with any and all things you can use to make your case.

1st Drouin and Yzerman had a very public and bad relationship. Yzerman wanted him to play a certain way, with more energy, Drouin thought differently. When sent down to the AHL he failed to report and demanded a trade. Essentially, Droyin forced Yzerman's hand and when he did trade him he got back Sergachev.

So please explain where a. Yzerman and Bertuzzi have had this form of relationship, b. If Drouin who had proven nothing at the point of his trade can get Sergachev, makes you think he will take a low 2nd round pick for a proven player?

Again your logic and statement are flawed.
30 jui à 10 h 10
#24
Malkinwants2beTheMan
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Quoting: JestingCobra
You sound read mad my dude. If only there was another example of Yzerman sticking by a young player on his team on to trade him later neutral https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/04/20/jonathan-drouin-tampa-bay-lightning-stanley-cup-playoffs/83280728/


Comparing Drouin's situation in Tampa to Bertuzzi. Hilarious. To quote former NFL WR Steve Smith..."Ice up son."
30 jui à 10 h 12
#25
Banni
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Quoting: Letter_Kenny
Comparing Drouin's situation in Tampa to Bertuzzi. Hilarious. To quote former NFL WR Steve Smith..."Ice up son."


And to quote urinating tree: when you promise your fans Taylor Hall and Tyler Bertuzzi you don’t come back from the store with Micheal Bunting
 
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