you can probably get graves cheaper than that.

not sure why we're giving up a promising young D for a guy we could have for a mid-round pick post-expansion draft

graves is a nice piece but thats really steep

This is a variance on a Simmer idea. I think he doesn't see a long term spot for Brannstrom in Ottawa, and there's a trend to big, quick, D that can shoot, after these playoffs.

Graves is a good player to allow Sanderson to get up to speed to overtake him on the depth chart. It doesn't matter which of them is on the 2nd pair if only one of them is paid like it. Graves plays the way the Sens want their 2LD to play.

All in all though, it's just conversation.

Simmers version didn't have the picks included, so we all seem to agree, swap out the picks a bit and see what you guys think is fair, I'm curious too since I thought the pick swap wasn't enough but was being conservative.

tbf simmer is also a known brannstrom hater, avs wouldnt have enough leverage to get brannstrom for graves with the expansion draft imo

I didn't know this, I've only recently been unblocked by him on twitter, lol.

Sometimes it seems like he's throwing poop at the wall to see what sticks, lol

I like Graves and think he could be a useful piece, but he could be had for a 2nd+3rd max, if not from Colorado then from Seattle after they select him if they decide to keep other guys (they have like 8 or 9 pretty good D available to them that they could take in Skjei, Gio, Miller, Dunn, Shattenkirk, de Haan, etc.). Saying Brannstrom isn’t part of the long term plans seems kinda silly when he’s got oodles of talent and is just coming into his own. If he does get dealt it won’t be for a guy the other team will lose for nothing, they have no leverage, and Brannstrom’s honestly worth more at this point anyway. It would have to be for a young-ish top 6 C/RW or high end C/RW prospect.