Seems like more of a quantity over quality, even though I like Madden


Probably starts with Turcotte + Anderson + 1st

I think they would do Turcotte + Walker + 1st, but Anderson and Bjornfot aren't going anywhere.

I think the 8th overall pick and a 1st next year is near equivalent of Turcotte + Anderson,especially for Arizona,plus you get 2 2nds and 4 solid prospects.

Imagine saying Anderson and Bjornfot are untouchable for Chych


This site loves valuing potential over actual performance. Neither of those two will be as good as Chych.

Why would the coyotes ever trade their best player in years to the Kings. Like even if he was available it would be a crime against Phoenix sports fans to send a top player to a Los Angeles team. The trade proposed above is much closer in terms of value but I don’t think the coyotes are budging off Chychrun unless Byfield is involved

Of course they won't, that's why Arizona would be getting the #8 overall and Turcotte in the trade, both of which could easily turn into better players than Chychrun.

LA needs a 3rd LHD. Swapping Bjornfot or Anderson defeats the purpose of the trade.

It isnt about getting 3 LHD its about getting a massive upgrade who instantly becomes your best dman. Im not sure that you realize Chychrun is a top ten dman in a great contract

"8 overall and Turcotte in the trade, both of which could easily turn into better players than Chychrun.
" there you go proving my point that some many people here value potential over actual current skill

Right, because normally I'd be giving up a top 10 pick and a blue-chip prospect for an average defenseman.

It's 100% about getting a 3rd LHD. The Kings don't have any other quality left handed defensemen in the pipeline. You could even make the case for one of Faber or Grans (both RHD) if you wanted instead of Walker, but the Kings can't afford to trade either of Anderson or Bjornfot, both of which would be deal breakers for the Kings.

Well,they are no longer division rivals,I dont see them ever moving Chychrun,but I wanted to exploit the value,8th OVR + Madden=Turcotte,Clague+1st=Anderson,2 2nds + Durzi + Grundstrom = 1st,so I don't see how the value is off,if anything it gives Arizona organizational depth and draft picks which they have forfeited.This trade would only make sense if Coyotes decided to rebuild,which wouldn't be a bad idea,as it is they are stuck in mediocrity for years to come,with Chychrun or without him.

I'm not proposing a 1-for-1 trade here. If I valued potential over skill then I'd say that a straight Turcotte for Chychrun swap was more than fair.

Chychrun is signed for the next 4 seasons for 4.6 mil and he just came in 10th in Norris voting. He’s a piece you build around, not trade.

As far as your valuations go, it’s the definition of quality over quantity. You don’t want to give those better pieces up because you’d rather have them than the pile of average prospects and good picks that you proposed in this deal. That’s exactly why the Coyotes would say no and hold out for something better. Chychrun would only ever be traded for a young future/current #1 center.

And as far as divisions go, it doesn’t matter. Phoenix and Los Angeles are still geographically aligned and other than the NHL next year the rest of our sports teams play LA teams in division. Calling it a rivalry is a stretch because I don’t think Los Angeles views any of our teams that way but Arizona sports fans hate LA sports teams. The worst way to build a fan base would be to send your best player to your “rival”, especially for an underwhelming package.

You haven’t seen Chychrun play much have you

I have seen Chychrun play. That's why I want to trade for him. He's great. He's not Drew Doughty great, but I agree that top 10 is probably about right.

The trade is built around 2 1st round picks,which have very good value,if you think Chychrun is worth Byfield you're overvaluing him.However if Arizona decides to blow it up,draft Lambert and Michkov for example,or Wright and Bedard,then this kind of a deal would only benefit them.They could build a better team than what they have in 2 years time.

Then how is a Turcotte for Chychrun 1 for 1 fair in your mind?

It's 100% not. That was my point. You suggested that people around here valued potential over skill. I said that IF that were the case, then I would be proposing Turcotte for Chychrun and not #8 + Turcotte + Walker. Two top quality "potential" pieces, and one good quality skill player on a team-friendly deal.

8 is a good pick but it’s a weak draft class and uncertainty in scouting because of Covid. There’s a chance that LA’s pick isn’t even in the lottery next season, so I wouldn’t value that too highly. In either case there’s no guarantee that the players selected with those picks, or the Coyotes pick next year (which may not be 1OA), pan out and turn into good players. Chychrun is guaranteed to be a coyote for 4 more seasons if they keep him with the possibility of more if we resign him. If he was on an expiring contract or if it was done in 2 seasons maybe they consider trading him. But 4 more years of a Norris candidate on your team is worth more than 2 lottery tickets in the draft

Ah okay, I misunderstood you