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Créé par: Wqrrior
Équipe: 2021-22 Coyotes de l'Arizona
Date de création initiale: 25 juin 2021
Publié: 25 juin 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1750 000 $
11 500 000 $
1750 000 $
21 350 000 $
2750 000 $
2750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
11 350 000 $
1750 000 $
42 750 000 $
21 250 000 $
22 550 000 $
1750 000 $
Transactions
1.
ARI
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. Guhle, Kaiden
  3. Poehling, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
We all know they are going to build up from here because that's what literally every team does after success, regardless of if building up is the right move or not.

Drouin has negative value and is taking away crucial and important cap to move forward. He's soured on the market and just simply isn't that good. Garland is essentially everything that was expected from Drouin when traded for. He should have a high price tag, and I doubt MB will hold back from paying it.
MTL
  1. Garland, Conor [Droits de RFA]
2.
ARI
  1. Kase, Ondrej [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
let's assume he isn't qualified in this instance.
BOS
3.
ARI
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. Voracek, Jakub
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (PHI)
Détails additionnels:
I really like this trade hypothetically. The concern is OEL waiving. I can't imagine PHI is a team he is a hard no towards. Hypothetically assume he waives here.
PHI
4.
ARI
SEA
  1. Fischer, Christian
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
to stay away from Hill
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $67 115 283 $196 951 $500 000 $14 384 717 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
7 150 000 $7 150 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 7
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
UFA - 4
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
8 250 000 $8 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
5 850 000 $5 850 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 5
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
6 800 000 $6 800 000 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
1 533 333 $1 533 333 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
863 333 $863 333 $
C
RFA - 1
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
750 000 $750 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
700 000 $700 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
DD
RFA - 3
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
G
UFA - 2
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
750 000 $750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
2 550 000 $2 550 000 $
DG/DD
UFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
750 000 $750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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25 juin 2021 à 3 h 48
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Drouin isnt negative value especially considering his production and cap…. 50 pts + at 5,5m is right on the curve in terms of points per millions. Plus, he is 26 and still has the potential to be a 70pts winger playing in another market. He was our best player in the first 20 games of the season and got hurt than lost hos confidence. Also, this deal doesnt make sense for either team considering ARZ wants to shed salary and MTL isnt paying that for a single player.
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25 juin 2021 à 5 h 28
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Philly doesn't need anymore LD's.
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25 juin 2021 à 8 h 56
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You don’t have to assume…he won’t be given his QO. 👍🏻
25 juin 2021 à 8 h 57
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You can keep OEL...he is basically Ghost for double the price and way older.
25 juin 2021 à 9 h 39
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This must be a troll post. Garland who's nothing special drafted in 5th round, for 4 1st rounders! Give your head a shake and get the desert sand out of your ears.
25 juin 2021 à 12 h 20
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Quoting: SCGLisme2
This must be a troll post. Garland who's nothing special drafted in 5th round, for 4 1st rounders! Give your head a shake and get the desert sand out of your ears.


Habs fans truly are the most delusional on this website.
25 juin 2021 à 13 h 15
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Habs fans truly are the most delusional on this website.


Drouin is a big question mark which makes it hard to assess value, but regardless, you are trading three 1st rounders for a 55pts player, that's a bit delusional
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25 juin 2021 à 18 h 0
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Drouin is a big question mark which makes it hard to assess value, but regardless, you are trading three 1st rounders for a 55pts player, that's a bit delusional


Just because they are drafted in the first round doesn't mean they infinitely carry that type of value. If Drouin's "question mark" is for the worst, that's a pay to move contract. Looking at the market right now, nobody is taking a player like that on that cap hit for free. He would clear waivers until there's more certainty.

Poehling has been eternally overrated due to his hat trick game. I know he's had decent success in the AHL this year, but his game has struggled to translate. He probably has the pure value of a fourth. Nobody is paying a third for a likely bust (or if not bust, someone who is faring significantly lower than their draft selection.

I had the values of both of the above players cancel. Even some habs fans know in their hearts that Drouin isn't a positive value player, but still pretend he is out of stubbornness. The only argument that makes some sense is to wait. Wait to see what he does. Thing is that the 5.5m in cap could go to far greater especially given what you guys have to resign in a limited cap value.

As such, a really late first in a mediocre draft year and a solid but not elite defensive prospect for a well rounded top 6er doesn't seem delusional at all. Garland is used in a strictly defensive system and even still he is able to succeed in both areas of the ice. It's not a stretch to say that under a more balanced coach than Tocchet, his offense would have a higher ceiling.

These aren't the types of players you can get for a few random picks and a bunch of internally overrated prospects. Garland carries value on this market. Pay up.
28 juin 2021 à 9 h 10
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Just because they are drafted in the first round doesn't mean they infinitely carry that type of value. If Drouin's "question mark" is for the worst, that's a pay to move contract. Looking at the market right now, nobody is taking a player like that on that cap hit for free. He would clear waivers until there's more certainty.

Poehling has been eternally overrated due to his hat trick game. I know he's had decent success in the AHL this year, but his game has struggled to translate. He probably has the pure value of a fourth. Nobody is paying a third for a likely bust (or if not bust, someone who is faring significantly lower than their draft selection.

I had the values of both of the above players cancel. Even some habs fans know in their hearts that Drouin isn't a positive value player, but still pretend he is out of stubbornness. The only argument that makes some sense is to wait. Wait to see what he does. Thing is that the 5.5m in cap could go to far greater especially given what you guys have to resign in a limited cap value.

As such, a really late first in a mediocre draft year and a solid but not elite defensive prospect for a well rounded top 6er doesn't seem delusional at all. Garland is used in a strictly defensive system and even still he is able to succeed in both areas of the ice. It's not a stretch to say that under a more balanced coach than Tocchet, his offense would have a higher ceiling.

These aren't the types of players you can get for a few random picks and a bunch of internally overrated prospects. Garland carries value on this market. Pay up.


Does Garland carry value? Yes
That much value? No
Drouin is a wait and see which puts the trade in question right from the get-go as you stated so it's a non starter, never mind the pure 4th round value of a Poehling as you put it added in, plus a late 1st this year and and mid first (16th overall) in Guhle who has potential to be a top 4 minimum D-man.
The Habs have enough 3rd and 4th line players without Garland already and don't have to give up so much to sign them. Habs players are so over rated that they should all be traded after this cup run of course.
Let's also remember who posted the trade; it wasn't a Habs fan that's for sure! Hard No
 
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