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Créé par: Deaner37
Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 21 juin 2021
Publié: 21 juin 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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——-TRADES——-

-trading 2022 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks along with young defender Lagesson for 2 years of Neal and 1 year of mikko Koskinen. Steep price to pay but it needs to be done to take that money off our books in the flat cap.

-Klefbomb is left exposed and oilers trade rights to Kahun and defensive prospect Niemeläinen and a 4th to assure he gets picked.

-Turris is traded to any team looking for a veteran presence on their bottom 6.

-we trade Kassian with $700,000 retained to Rangers for a 4th. They add size and depth. We add 2.5 in cap space

-Islanders will need to give 1 goalie up in a trade, if they don’t, they lose one in the expansion draft. Oilers take advantage and scoop up Varlamov off them for 2019 2nd rounder Tyler Tullio, young up-and-comer Tyler Benson, a 4th, and a 6th.

——-SIGNINGS——-

-Ken Holland has a brown envelope with 30 million set aside for Nugent-Hopkins, I believe he will get a deal done of 5 million at 6 years, Nuge loves it here and wants to stay.

-Taylor Hall stated he is looking for shots at the cup more than looking for money. Coming back home will give him legitimate shots at playoffs, and when playoffs come around, anything can happen.

-Saad is brought in for the experience and veteran presence along with the high level skill.

Larsson, and Oleksiak both sign 3 year contracts worth 3250000. 2nd pair shutdown minute eaters.

-Yamamoto signs a 3 year Bridge deal worth $2,500,000.

-Wennberg is brought in for his offensive touch. Bring him in for a little pricey (possible overpay) $3,500,000, but for only 3 years. Strengthening our depth,

-goodrow is brought in for depth and offense on our third and Tampa will lose him.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3875 000 $
3875 000 $
3825 000 $
2800 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
2900 000 $
2900 000 $
2900 000 $
2825 000 $
2850 000 $
2850 000 $
32 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
65 000 000 $
1750 000 $
11 750 000 $
1750 000 $
1750 000 $
33 250 000 $
33 250 000 $
35 500 000 $
32 250 000 $
36 000 000 $
43 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (COL)
DET
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. Lagesson, William
  3. Neal, James
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
  6. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
2.
EDM
SEA
3.
EDM
    Any team looking for a cheap reliable veteran
    4.
    EDM
    1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (OTT)
    NYR
    1. Kassian, Zack (700 000 $ retained)
    5.
    NYI
    1. Benson, Tyler
    2. Tullio, Tyler
    3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (OTT)
    4. Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
    Rachats de contrats
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2021
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    2022
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    2023
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2381 500 000 $79 226 839 $669 339 $907 500 $2 273 161 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 4
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    12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 5
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 5
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    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 8
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    8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 4
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    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 6
    3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 3
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    1 175 000 $1 175 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
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    850 000 $850 000 $
    AG, C, AD
    UFA - 2
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    834 167 $834 167 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
    C
    RFA - 1
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    1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    5 600 000 $5 600 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
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    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Islanders de New York
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    850 000 $850 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    785 000 $785 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    900 000 $900 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1

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    21 juin 2021 à 2 h 17
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    I don’t understand giving up klefbom so that Seattle takes the guy they’re probably going to be taking anyways
    21 juin 2021 à 2 h 18
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    + an overpay for saad, honestly take 1.5 mil and just put it into the hall contract and it makes much more sense
    21 juin 2021 à 3 h 4
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    Those picks might get Detroit interested in Neal but if you want to add Lagesson and Koskinen then you have to add more assets. None of the three players are of any use to Detroit and will therefore need to bring assets with them if Detroit is to help you ot with dumping cap.
    21 juin 2021 à 4 h 22
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    Those picks might get Detroit interested in Neal but if you want to add Lagesson and Koskinen then you have to add more assets. None of the three players are of any use to Detroit and will therefore need to bring assets with them if Detroit is to help you ot with dumping cap.


    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    Those picks might get Detroit interested in Neal but if you want to add Lagesson and Koskinen then you have to add more assets. None of the three players are of any use to Detroit and will therefore need to bring assets with them if Detroit is to help you ot with dumping cap.


    Lagesson Isn’t a cap dump he’s a asset that has value, he’s young, under a mil and is heavy dman to play against 6th 7th depth piece his only problem is he needs expansion protection and will get claimed if he’s put on waivers.

    It’s a first and a second for Neal and a 3rd and Lagesson for one yr of Koskinen fair value, but the wings wouldn’t take both the oilers would need to a second trading partner, but I’m sure they just buy Koskinen out.
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    21 juin 2021 à 4 h 29
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    Wow the team might be better today but we don’t have the depth in the system to move that many picks, Holland will need to use a buyout or two gain some cap space
    Why are you trying to offload Klefbom to Seattle makes zero sense he either remains on LTIR for the rest of his career or he comes back and we have a second pair D on a value contract either way is good for the oilers and you want to waste 3 assets on something that’s not a problem???
    21 juin 2021 à 5 h 3
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    Quoting: GrinReaper
    Lagesson Isn’t a cap dump he’s a asset that has value, he’s young, under a mil and is heavy dman to play against 6th 7th depth piece his only problem is he needs expansion protection and will get claimed if he’s put on waivers.

    It’s a first and a second for Neal and a 3rd and Lagesson for one yr of Koskinen fair value, but the wings wouldn’t take both the oilers would need to a second trading partner, but I’m sure they just buy Koskinen out.


    Detroit already have two goalies, that makes Koskinen a cap dump as far as Detroit is concerned.
    Detroit have no need for Lagesson (he's the wrong type of defender compared with what is needed), that makes him also a cap dump as far as Detroit is concerned.

    Both Koskinen and Lagesson have negative value to Detroit.
    21 juin 2021 à 5 h 8
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    Detroit already have two goalies, that makes Koskinen a cap dump as far as Detroit is concerned.
    Detroit have no need for Lagesson (he's the wrong type of defender compared with what is needed), that makes him also a cap dump as far as Detroit is concerned.

    Both Koskinen and Lagesson have negative value to Detroit.


    Because they don’t fit your need doesn’t make them cap dumps
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    21 juin 2021 à 5 h 16
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    Quoting: GrinReaper
    Because they don’t fit your need doesn’t make them cap dumps


    They have negative value to the team you are offering them. That's the very definition of a cap dump.
    21 juin 2021 à 5 h 28
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    They have negative value to the team you are offering them. That's the very definition of a cap dump.


    A cap dump is a player that has negative value to any team “ bad contract” that’s the definition of a cap dump “ not because he doesn’t fit a teams needs”
    Your looking at it all wrong Lagesson might not fit the d your looking for but he’s a asset that could be flipped to acquire the type of D your looking for he’s the definition of asset you need assets to acquire players you need
    Koskinen is the definition of a cap dump because of his contract
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    21 juin 2021 à 9 h 21
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    Isles say yes.
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    21 juin 2021 à 9 h 30
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    Im not going to comment on the trade only your premise that the islanders MUST trade a goalie, bc sorokin is exempt from seattle so they just protect varly and we're good.
    21 juin 2021 à 11 h 14
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    Modifié 21 juin 2021 à 13 h 20
    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    Detroit already have two goalies, that makes Koskinen a cap dump as far as Detroit is concerned.
    Detroit have no need for Lagesson (he's the wrong type of defender compared with what is needed), that makes him also a cap dump as far as Detroit is concerned.

    Both Koskinen and Lagesson have negative value to Detroit.


    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    They have negative value to the team you are offering them. That's the very definition of a cap dump.


    Lagesson is very much an asset that some team (just not Detroit, apparently) would accept as part of of a package (with pick(s)) to take on a BAD contract. A cap dump is the trade of a player who has little to no value, usually league wide, due to the cost of his contract in comparison with poor or declining play, in which the team trading him will provide additional assets to entice teams to accept the burden of that contract against their cap figure.

    Also . . . last I checked you only have 1 NHL goalie signed for next season. I'm sure you're confident (and/or hoping) that the Wings will re-sign UFA Bernier, but there's no fault in Deaner37 to assume the alternative for the purpose of his AGM. It's not a big stretch of the imagination to see Bernier parlaying a successful season on his part into a better situation for himself.
    21 juin 2021 à 15 h 10
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    Quoting: Quillanrocks
    Lagesson is very much an asset that some team (just not Detroit, apparently) would accept as part of of a package (with pick(s)) to take on a BAD contract. A cap dump is the trade of a player who has little to no value, usually league wide, due to the cost of his contract in comparison with poor or declining play, in which the team trading him will provide additional assets to entice teams to accept the burden of that contract against their cap figure.

    Also . . . last I checked you only have 1 NHL goalie signed for next season. I'm sure you're confident (and/or hoping) that the Wings will re-sign UFA Bernier, but there's no fault in Deaner37 to assume the alternative for the purpose of his AGM. It's not a big stretch of the imagination to see Bernier parlaying a successful season on his part into a better situation for himself.


    Bernier will resign as soon as the expansion draft is over. Bernier have publicly stated his desire to stay and he's very well liked and played very well for us. That he will be resigned is no secret.

    The only reason that he's not already signed is due to the expansion draft. If he was to be resinged before the expansion draft then Seattle could claim him without Detroit being able to stop it. As long as he is UFA Seattle have no way of forcing him to sign with them as he simply can say no to them and turn around and sign with Detroit even if Seattle were to pick him as an UFA.

    The entire point is that both teams need to have a use for the players involved in a trade. If you're offering a trade to a team, any team, you have to take into account how that team values the players involved. If the team being offered the trade don't have any use for the players offered, they, in fact, have negative value to the team and no team will take on players with negative value unless they're being paid for it.

    A 1st +a 2nd + a 3rd is a fair value for taking on Neal. It is comparable to the Staal trade value-wise considering the three differences between Staal and Neal. Neal is two years, Staal was one year. Neal's salary is 75% higher than Staal's (same cap different $$). Staal played in a position of need Neal doesn't.

    If you wan't to add two more players that Detroit doesn't need then the trade price goes up.
    21 juin 2021 à 16 h 31
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    Quoting: GrinReaper
    A cap dump is a player that has negative value to any team “ bad contract” that’s the definition of a cap dump “ not because he doesn’t fit a teams needs”
    Your looking at it all wrong Lagesson might not fit the d your looking for but he’s a asset that could be flipped to acquire the type of D your looking for he’s the definition of asset you need assets to acquire players you need
    Koskinen is the definition of a cap dump because of his contract



    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    Bernier will resign as soon as the expansion draft is over. Bernier have publicly stated his desire to stay and he's very well liked and played very well for us. That he will be resigned is no secret.

    The only reason that he's not already signed is due to the expansion draft. If he was to be resinged before the expansion draft then Seattle could claim him without Detroit being able to stop it. As long as he is UFA Seattle have no way of forcing him to sign with them as he simply can say no to them and turn around and sign with Detroit even if Seattle were to pick him as an UFA.

    The entire point is that both teams need to have a use for the players involved in a trade. If you're offering a trade to a team, any team, you have to take into account how that team values the players involved. If the team being offered the trade don't have any use for the players offered, they, in fact, have negative value to the team and no team will take on players with negative value unless they're being paid for it.

    A 1st +a 2nd + a 3rd is a fair value for taking on Neal. It is comparable to the Staal trade value-wise considering the three differences between Staal and Neal. Neal is two years, Staal was one year. Neal's salary is 75% higher than Staal's (same cap different $$). Staal played in a position of need Neal doesn't.

    If you wan't to add two more players that Detroit doesn't need then the trade price goes up.



    Sure. Got it. But you're missing MY point. (and the point of GrimReaper, too, I noticed). NOT arguing with you that Detroit should take the deal with Edmonton, or that you should see it as enough value to take on "bad money" . . . I'm only trying to point out that Lagesson is not a "cap dump" simply because you don't value the player in the same way Edmonton might. "Cap dump" implies that a team wants to be rid of the player/contract, and such does not apply regarding Lagesson and his nearly league minimum contract, etc.

    Do I have your permission to come back here for a laugh if things change between now and July 28th, and Bernier decides to sign somewhere else??!! LOL No doubt I'm wrong, but I think it's funny how assured you feel!
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    21 juin 2021 à 16 h 52
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    Sure. Got it. But you're missing MY point. (and the point of GrimReaper, too, I noticed). NOT arguing with you that Detroit should take the deal with Edmonton, or that you should see it as enough value to take on "bad money" . . . I'm only trying to point out that Lagesson is not a "cap dump" simply because you don't value the player in the same way Edmonton might. "Cap dump" implies that a team wants to be rid of the player/contract, and such does not apply regarding Lagesson and his nearly league minimum contract, etc.

    Do I have your permission to come back here for a laugh if things change between now and July 28th, and Bernier decides to sign somewhere else??!! LOL No doubt I'm wrong, but I think it's funny how assured you feel!


    The reason I'm assured is that both Bernier and Yzerman has made public statements.

    Bernier has made it absolutely clear that he wants to stay. Yzerman has made it asolutely clear that he won't sign any of the team's UFAs until after the expansion draft.

    If the receiving team has no need for a player in a proposed trade he will be treated as a cap dump regardless of how the selling team values him. To Detroit both those players are, every bit as much as Neal is, cap dumps.
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    21 juin 2021 à 17 h 18
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    The reason I'm assured is that both Bernier and Yzerman has made public statements.

    Bernier has made it absolutely clear that he wants to stay. Yzerman has made it asolutely clear that he won't sign any of the team's UFAs until after the expansion draft.

    If the receiving team has no need for a player in a proposed trade he will be treated as a cap dump regardless of how the selling team values him. To Detroit both those players are, every bit as much as Neal is, cap dumps.


    Hey, when you're right you're right. Right?? No backing down. Respect.
     
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