Would Seattle Really Take Leddy

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Créé par: ForsbergForVezina

Équipe: 2021-22 Islanders de New York

Date de création initiale: 5 juin 2021

Publié: 12 juin 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

So Nick Leddy had a "resurgent" season in 2021, scoring 31 points in the 56 game season and helping to keep the Islanders' fledgling power play afloat, for at least the first part of the season. However, he's been pretty quiet in the playoffs, makes a lot of money and has rather poor defensive analytics. For these reasons (number 2, in particular), I think he's a guy the Isles should really look to move on from this offseason.

With the trade for Ryan Graves (which would happen before expansion), Leddy would be left exposed to the Kraken, giving them a pathway to acquiring a potential 0.5 point per game defenseman for their first season. The biggest issue with this, is that Nick Leddy is owed $7 million in 21-22, which is more than almost any team in the league would want to have to pay for him next season, even if he does replicate his success from this past season.

The little blurb in the trade with Seattle explains the transaction. As for the amount being retained, it would have the Islanders pay $2 million of the $7 million Leddy is owed next season. It's a lot of money, but I'm highly skeptical that anyone would take his full deal. This way, the Isles shed a boatload of real money and cap space to make other moves.

Of course, this scenario can really only take place if Seattle really likes Nick Leddy. With the acquisition of Graves, Scott Mayfield is left exposed, who could also make an attractive expansion piece. So this is just one scenario. Is it likely? Do both teams benefit? Let me know what you think...

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Beauvillier, Anthony	5	4 750 000 $
Sorokin, Ilya	1	3 500 000 $
Golyshev, Anatoly	1	925 000 $
Pelech, Adam	4	4 750 000 $
Bellows, Kieffer	2	775 000 $
Koivula, Otto	2	775 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Greene, Andy	1	2 000 000 $
Zajac, Travis	1	1 000 000 $
Murray, Ryan	1	1 500 000 $

Transactions

NYI

Graves, Ryan

COL

Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (COL)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (NYI)

NYI

Seattle selects Czarnik, trades for Leddy so they can have the Isles retain

SEA

Czarnik, Austin
Leddy, Nick (1 571 428 $ retained)

Rachats de contrats

Rick DiPietro: 0 $
Thomas Hickey: 833 334 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Nick Leddy: 1 571 428 $ (57.14%)

Enfoui

Leo Komarov: 1 875 000 $ (3 000 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
2023

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	82 475 617 $	1 365 854 $	1 075 000 $	-975 617 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Lee, Anders 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG NTC UFA - 5	Barzal, Mathew 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Eberle, Jordan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD M-NTC UFA - 3
Beauvillier, Anthony 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3	Nelson, Brock 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 4	Bailey, Josh 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG, C UFA - 3
Golyshev, Anatoly 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Pageau, Jean-Gabriel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C NTC UFA - 5	Wahlstrom, Oliver 894 167 $894 167 $ (537 500 $$538K) AD RFA - 2
Martin, Matt 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Zajac, Travis 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C UFA	Clutterbuck, Cal 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Pelech, Adam 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ DG UFA - 8	Pulock, Ryan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Varlamov, Semyon 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Graves, Ryan 3 166 667 $3 166 667 $ DG UFA - 2	Mayfield, Scott 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ DD UFA - 2
	Dobson, Noah 894 167 $894 167 $ (537 500 $$538K) DD RFA - 1	Sorokin, Ilya 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ G UFA - 3
Murray, Ryan 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DG UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Bellows, Kieffer 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Greene, Andy 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Boychuk, Johnny 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1
Aho, Sebastian 725 000 $725 000 $ DG UFA - 1		Ladd, Andrew 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG M-NTC UFA - 2

12 juin 2021 à 22 h 2

BroadwayBlueshirts

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Maybe if you retain like that. If I were them I'd prob want Bellows, but Leddy at a discount would be good to have in the room before flipping at the TDL.

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12 juin 2021 à 22 h 6

Isles777

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Isles would save more by buying him out, I think they'd take leddy w/o retention if they think they can flip him for more at the deadline. Maybe add Aho instead of czarnik.

12 juin 2021 à 22 h 14

Radu47

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Superb AGM and I hope people read the description

As someone who hugely supports them keeping Bellows & Aho (swedish Nick Leddy in future) I really like this strategy and reckon Seattle may take it

Though with Bellows being a rare chance at acquiring a high upside player early on it might not be enough, seems not much of that will be available ultimately

12 juin 2021 à 22 h 18

Isles777

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Quoting: Radu47

unfortunately Trotz doesn't like Bellows - he needs to go to a team that will put him in a position to succeed and not change his game too much.

12 juin 2021 à 22 h 22

Radu47

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I feel like NYI really need to take advantage of Seattle having cap space and being in the expansion grace period for a few years and try to get them to take

Bailey or if possible JGP

Rare opportunity to get out of those quagmires and get flexibility for once in ages, maybe NJ can take Leddy given his UFA lining up with their big RFA deals

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12 juin 2021 à 22 h 36

NHLfan10506

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Nick Leddy from most any other team has positive value, no doubt.
But people know NYI's cap situation, which drives value down.
Someone is going to get d-man cheaply if Isles are just giving him away.

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12 juin 2021 à 23 h 21

Isles777

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

yeah this going to apply to Varlamov as well. He might be worth a 1st but the isles have no leverage, they'll have to accept a late 2nd or 3rd rd pick if they are looking to trade him.

12 juin 2021 à 23 h 27

ForsbergForVezina

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Quoting: BroadwayBlueshirts

Maybe if you retain like that. If I were them I'd prob want Bellows, but Leddy at a discount would be good to have in the room before flipping at the TDL.

Quoting: Radu47

Really think Seattle will pass on Bellows. His upside at this point seems kinda limited and I’m not sure if he has the tools to be able to stay in the NHL long term.

I think if Seattle is speculating that an undervalued, young player on the Isles could be an impact player for them in the near future, Sebastian Aho is their pick (he really is a Swedish Nick Leddy, with less of the polish, as @Radu47 so astutely put). I’d like to keep Aho, but Trotz has done nearly everything in his power the last two years to make sure he doesn’t get into the lineup, so I doubt he’s a future piece for us. As far as I’m concerned, both him and Bellows are expendable this offseason.

Thank you both for your responses!

12 juin 2021 à 23 h 35

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Why do the Avs do that? Our own second is not going to help them to a cup next year. Graves might be of help. Then you could say "What about the XD?" The Avs are going to lose a good player. Graves, Dons, or JTC are gone to the Krack. But I would rather have two of them still playing then one and a 2nd rounder.

12 juin 2021 à 23 h 38

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Quoting: Isles777

Isles would save more by buying him out, I think they'd take leddy w/o retention if they think they can flip him for more at the deadline. Maybe add Aho instead of czarnik.

If he played like he did the first two years under Trotz this year, then yeah, I’d expect them to buy him out. However, he actually has some value now. I think retaining a little more now and still being able to fit what we need in 21-22 will pay dividends later.

We’re seeing the effects Greene’s bonuses will have on the team this offseason; the 2nd year of Leddy’s buyout may have a similar impact for 22-23 (different circumstances, I know).

If I’m being honest, I don’t think it’s out of the question another team would willingly trade for Leddy this offseason and would welcome that (even if it was for a late-ish pick). But I wanted to float the Seattle scenario because they could very obviously afford it and will probably have an opportunity to grab him anyways

12 juin 2021 à 23 h 45

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Very true too, their desperate (?) situation may come back to hurt them like it did last year.

I just don’t think Leddy adds enough to our team (on the ice at least) to warrant keeping for next year. If that means moving his bloated contract for very little in return, so be it. The cap space we’ll hopefully gain will be as valuable, if not more so, than any assets they could reasonably get for him imo

12 juin 2021 à 23 h 54

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Quoting: LittleBuddha

That’s true and a philosophy that would probably serve the Avs well. The last time I floated this trade (which admittedly was 2 2nds, rather than a 2 and a 3), a couple of Avs fans suggested the picks be flipped at or before the entry draft for another player. The extra cap space could also be useful when looking to sign a free agent or two, of which the Avs have several of their own.

Besides, it’s not like the Avs have never gotten anyone good with a couple 2nd rounders before...

13 juin 2021 à 0 h 10

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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina

The only way I see Graves moved, or anyone else for that matter, before the XD is to aquire someone like a 2nd line winger. Can't protect another D man and a pick does us nothing. Windows don't stay open for ever and the clock is ticking. Any thing after a mid-1st rounder is most likely not going to be of any help for 3+ years. Sadly, you will most likely be able to pick him for close to that from Seattle. The 2nds/3rd not 1st

13 juin 2021 à 0 h 18

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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina

I agree Leddy has value, and the fact that the isles received calls on him last season after the year he had bodes well for this offseason - 45 pt pace and 2 straight years of playing top 4 min on a team that went to the ECF. I’m sure there will be a few GMs that call Lou after this run. It’s a low risk high reward move if they can acquire Leddy for a 5th rd pick

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