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Ridiculous MIN Shakeup - Trigger Warning

Créé par: MNCountryClub
Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 10 juin 2021
Publié: 10 juin 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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WARNING - half baked thoughts incoming. Every move here is done with the idea that MIN will be cup contenders in 4-5 years. I would like to keep Kap and Eichel happy by staying competitive in the meantime.

MIN isn't going to be a cup contenders until Parise and Suter are off the books. This is an attempt at radically changing things to build a young deep team that peaks in 4-5 years, while also staying competitive in the meantime. (Eichel and Kap are 28, while Rossi, Boldy, Jarvis, Addison, O Rourke, etc. are all in prime form).

If Carolina is really trying to chase a cup, Fiala would be an enormous add. Guy just put up 20-20 with fringe-NHL pylons for line mates. Put him with Aho and Turbo and its 35+. Put him with Trochek and Necas and it's 30. He'll be looking for 6x6.5 or so. He is truly a game breaker. I'm completely guessing on valuation, so lmk how far off.

Eichel - 3 1sts, Top 9 Winger, 3rd pair RD and warm body cap dump Rask. BUF fans will scoff. MIN fans - this is Fiala + listed package, but you're getting Jarvis back. That's key here IMO.

Lets hear the replies.

Core would be Eichel, Kaprizov, Brodin, Rossi, Boldy, Jarvis, Ek, Addison, O Rourke. Then you have potential to hit on additional support with Khusnutdinov, Beckman, Firstov, Khovanov, Hunt, etc.
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10 juin 2021 à 22 h 37
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The Canes would say yes. I love Fiala, one of my favorite non-Canes and I think he is the type of winger the Canes need. We have too many grinder wings and not enough shooters. Fiala is definitely a shooter
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Kings will decline. The trade values would not be the issue. I just believe Kings have much more use of Athans than a 4th round pick at this moment.
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Quoting: OnlyBadDeals
The Canes would say yes. I love Fiala, one of my favorite non-Canes and I think he is the type of winger the Canes need. We have too many grinder wings and not enough shooters. Fiala is definitely a shooter


He's a pure shooter. His stats, while still respectable, are incredibly misleading. I'm sure there's a touch of homer goggles here, but I genuinely believe he would be a 70-80 point guy with competant line mates. Him, Aho and Turbo would be insane. But even with Trochek and Necas, he's completely lighting it up.
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Kings will decline. The trade values would not be the issue. I just believe Kings have much more use of Athans than a 4th round pick at this moment.


That's totally fair - A's is more of a placeholder here that represents any NHL player who will help keep the wild competitive until the Parise/Suter contracts expire.
10 juin 2021 à 23 h 12
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I would not hate these moves. I think we need Fiala on a second line to bring that threat of another line to a team. If we match the Avs, they might be able to shut down Kap's line but they do not have what it takes to shut down Fiala rolling on a second line. This assumes we have linemates for Fiala. I do wonder if Fiala would take a team friendly deal if that means we can sign him a center to help him out and throw Boldy on there to make it a scary line. I do not like Zucc on the top line. Too many times he passed first and did not take the shot. This hurt Kap because teams would play him differently than if he had a dual threat teamed up with him. These trades aren't as triggering as I imagined when reading the title! Nice work and way to think outside the box.
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The Canes would say yes. I love Fiala, one of my favorite non-Canes and I think he is the type of winger the Canes need. We have too many grinder wings and not enough shooters. Fiala is definitely a shooter

I don’t see Canes saying yes at all. With the core getting expensive quickly and Necas looking like a winger only, we will need scorers on ELCs. Adding an expensive Fiala doesn’t work.
10 juin 2021 à 23 h 43
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I like Jarvis and Suzuki as prospects but they're still just prospects. Trading a known player who has game-breaking qualities like Fiala for prospects is just poor asset management. If the Canes want Fiala, I want Necas and I think they quickly say no to that.
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I like Jarvis and Suzuki as prospects but they're still just prospects. Trading a known player who has game-breaking qualities like Fiala for prospects is just poor asset management. If the Canes want Fiala, I want Necas and I think they quickly say no to that.


I agree - I would only do that CAR move if I had a guarantee that BUF would agree to the Eichel proposal (for the record i personally wouldn't do either, but speaking from the perspective of this example). The whole purpose behind the Fiala move is to get Eichel. It's a setup move. From MIN fans perspective, you can think about it as a Fiala for Eichel package, but you also get a Grade A prospect in return via Jarvis. See what I'm saying?

I would be quite gutted if they lost Fiala. But per the description, this is all designed around a peak performance 4-5 years from now.
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I would not hate these moves. I think we need Fiala on a second line to bring that threat of another line to a team. If we match the Avs, they might be able to shut down Kap's line but they do not have what it takes to shut down Fiala rolling on a second line. This assumes we have linemates for Fiala. I do wonder if Fiala would take a team friendly deal if that means we can sign him a center to help him out and throw Boldy on there to make it a scary line. I do not like Zucc on the top line. Too many times he passed first and did not take the shot. This hurt Kap because teams would play him differently than if he had a dual threat teamed up with him. These trades aren't as triggering as I imagined when reading the title! Nice work and way to think outside the box.


I agree - this isn't really what i'd like them to do, but I just wanted to explore an idea that has MIN target a serious cup window when Parise and Suter are off the books. I don't see how they can really contend until that happens. So the lineup above is just to stay reasonably competitive until you get those two anchors off the books, and have a full core all close to their primes.

I'd be very bummed if they lost Fiala, because I genuinely believe he's a 70+ point guy with decent line mates. So presumably you should be trying to solve for that vs. forecast out 4-5 years where there are a lot of unknowns.
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I agree - I would only do that CAR move if I had a guarantee that BUF would agree to the Eichel proposal (for the record i personally wouldn't do either, but speaking from the perspective of this example). The whole purpose behind the Fiala move is to get Eichel. It's a setup move. From MIN fans perspective, you can think about it as a Fiala for Eichel package, but you also get a Grade A prospect in return via Jarvis. See what I'm saying?

I would be quite gutted if they lost Fiala. But per the description, this is all designed around a peak performance 4-5 years from now.


If we can get Eichel out of Fiala, then I say do it. We lose scoring depth, sure, but if we acquire a center without Fiala then Fiala will still probably be wasted by playing with 4th line grinders. Based on Russo's comments it sounds like he wants to get PAID anyways, so if Fiala gets us Eichel then I think that is a win in the long run. I know I'm in a minority of Wild fans on that subject though.
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If we can get Eichel out of Fiala, then I say do it. We lose scoring depth, sure, but if we acquire a center without Fiala then Fiala will still probably be wasted by playing with 4th line grinders. Based on Russo's comments it sounds like he wants to get PAID anyways, so if Fiala gets us Eichel then I think that is a win in the long run. I know I'm in a minority of Wild fans on that subject though.


Exactly - I think if there wasn't a guarantee that the BUF deal happens, then this entire thing crumbles. I'd see very little reason to trade Fiala unless you're getting Eichel back. I wanted to build an Eichel package that didn't require Boldy or Rossi, since I was forecasting 4-5 years from now when ZP/RS are off books. I've seen Fiala to packages for Eichel directly, but something always felt off with those for me. With this, you get Jarvis + Eichel, which I think is more digestible.
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Quoting: ecupirate07
I don’t see Canes saying yes at all. With the core getting expensive quickly and Necas looking like a winger only, we will need scorers on ELCs. Adding an expensive Fiala doesn’t work.


I might be blinded by my love for Fiala, but even with that in mind, I think Canes would be dumb to decline. Fiala is more of a known quantity than the two prospects offered and he will probably outplay his contract if the players around him improve. On top of that he plays LW, a position I feel Carolina can improve the most in if Dougie leaves
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I might be blinded by my love for Fiala, but even with that in mind, I think Canes would be dumb to decline. Fiala is more of a known quantity than the two prospects offered and he will probably outplay his contract if the players around him improve. On top of that he plays LW, a position I feel Carolina can improve the most in if Dougie leaves

Im not saying Fiala isn’t good or a bad idea. Next off-season we’ll have Tro and Necas needing new deals, Svech on a higher dollar bridge for another year, and the Aho, Turbo, and Pesce needing extensions 2 years later. Having Jarvis who is top 6 capable on ELC for 22-23 to 24-25 is about ideal as it can get. Any top 6/9 help we get this coming off-season ideally expires before Svech or Aho need new deals to maximize cap flexibility.
11 juin 2021 à 23 h 22
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If we can get Eichel out of Fiala, then I say do it. We lose scoring depth, sure, but if we acquire a center without Fiala then Fiala will still probably be wasted by playing with 4th line grinders. Based on Russo's comments it sounds like he wants to get PAID anyways, so if Fiala gets us Eichel then I think that is a win in the long run. I know I'm in a minority of Wild fans on that subject though.


TanSor, I would pull the trigger if we got the guy that keeps Kap here long term. I understand that he wants guys that he can contend with and Rask with Zucc is not cutting it. I would like to see offers for guys like Larkin and Barkov. I'm very hesitant on Eichel after hearing how bad Eichel's neck injury is and the surgery he wants is the same one Peyton Manning got. This either lessens the return for Eichel or takes us out of the running. If we trade what we have to do get this talent and that neck is not in good shape we are set back a long time in terms of talent to pair with Kap. Would fans be upset if the Wild signed an 8 year deal with a 9 million AAV?
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TanSor, I would pull the trigger if we got the guy that keeps Kap here long term. I understand that he wants guys that he can contend with and Rask with Zucc is not cutting it. I would like to see offers for guys like Larkin and Barkov. I'm very hesitant on Eichel after hearing how bad Eichel's neck injury is and the surgery he wants is the same one Peyton Manning got. This either lessens the return for Eichel or takes us out of the running. If we trade what we have to do get this talent and that neck is not in good shape we are set back a long time in terms of talent to pair with Kap. Would fans be upset if the Wild signed an 8 year deal with a 9 million AAV?


I hear you, I think if we make an Eichel trade it would be contingent on the fact we are confident he will return healthy. I'm sure whichever team that acquires him will do a ton of research and due diligence to ensure he comes back healthy if he gets the surgery he wants.

Kaprizov seems happy with Zucc, they hugged each other in Kaprizov's exit interview and had clear chemistry this season, but Rask is clearly not a top line center despite being played like one. I'd LOVE Barkov, he is probably the perfect center for how we play but after the season Florida had he may be more willing to re-sign there than last offseason. If that isn't true, I'd rather we target him. I don't see Detroit trading Larkin, he is their captain and is still young but I like him a lot too. Eichel is the best center on the market that will be available this offseason and in my opinion I say we go and get him. According to Elliotte Friedman, LA is out of the running which is actually huge for us. I know New York has been another favorite, but if I'm Adams I move Eichel out of the Eastern conference so I don't have to see him more than twice a year. I am also not sure New York has the desperation to get a 1C like we do since their star player isn't asking to see their long-term plan and basically demanding that they go out and get a 1C for them.

Edit: As for that Kaprizov, deal, I'd personally be fine with that. I don't think Kaprizov takes anything over 5 years though. His agent is the same guy that landed Panarin and Bobrovsky mega-deals in their late 20's and I'm sure he wants to repeat that with Kaprizov.
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