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Eichels NOT The Sabre Were Looking For

Créé par: PuckLuck_77
Date de création initiale: mai 10, 2021
Publié: 10 mai à 15 h 19
Équipe: 2021-22 Kings de Los Angeles
Explications
Sam Reinhart is the player that fits the needs of LA, much more so than Eichel. Is there a trade to be made here? And is it less than just offer sheeting the guy 7mil with the pitch of LA vs Buffalo (and all that entails -- organizational stability, weather, top-tier prospects coming up, etc)?

What's a trade for Reinhart have to include?
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Reinhart, Sam67 000 000 $
Athanasiou, Andreas22 500 000 $
Andersson, Lias21 250 000 $
Moore, Trevor21 250 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Reinhart, Sam8 400 000 $
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022
Rachats de contrats
  • Dion Phaneuf: 1 062 500 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Jeff Carter: 2 636 363 $ (50%)
Frais de résiliation
  • Mike Richards: 900 000 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
LAK
LAK
STL
LAK
TOR
CGY
LAK
LAK
2022
PIT
LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
2023
LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
PIT
LAK
LAK
LAK
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $74 767 088 $0 $4 907 500 $6 732 912 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
LAK
Kempe, Adrian
2 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
LAK
Kopitar, Anze
10 000 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 3
Reinhart, Sam
7 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
LAK
Iafallo, Alex
4 000 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 4
LAK
Byfield, Quinton
894 167 $
C
RFA - 3
LAK
Athanasiou, Andreas
2 500 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
LAK
Andersson, Lias
1 250 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
LAK
Vilardi, Gabriel
894 167 $
C
RFA - 1
LAK
Brown, Dustin
5 875 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
LAK
Moore, Trevor
1 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
LAK
Anderson-Dolan, Jaret
747 500 $
C
RFA - 1
LAK
Grundström, Carl
725 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
LAK
Anderson, Michael
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
LAK
Doughty, Drew
11 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
LAK
Petersen, Cal
858 333 $
G
UFA - 1
LAK
Björnfot, Tobias
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
LAK
Roy, Matt
3 150 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
LAK
Quick, Jonathan
5 800 000 $
G
UFA - 2
LAK
Määttä, Olli
3 333 225 $
DG
UFA - 1
LAK
Walker, Sean
2 650 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
LAK
MacDermid, Kurtis
875 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
LAK
Kupari, Rasmus
863 333 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 2
LAK
Wagner, Austin
1 133 333 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
LAK
Lemieux, Brendan
1 550 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
LAK
Madden, Tyler
925 000 $ (0 $)
C
RFA - 2
LAK
Hults, Cole
925 000 $ (0 $)
DG
RFA - 1
LAK
Ingham, Jacob
818 333 $ (0 $)
G
RFA - 2

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10 mai à 15 h 22
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Go home. You're drunk.

-Fellow Kings fan.
10 mai à 15 h 23
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Quoting: irgids
Go home. You're drunk.

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Lol unfortunatley not, just bored at work. Why would you be against this?
10 mai à 15 h 25
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If I was LA, I would put Byfield in a deal for Eichel without hesitation.
10 mai à 15 h 27
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
If I was LA, I would put Byfield in a deal for Eichel without hesitation.


My point is simply that a center isn't what addresses the needs of the organization. A scoring right winger? Much more in line with what the Kings need, and they could do it without trading away their prized prospects. And if it was a trade, it wouldn't cost NEARLY what Eichel would. You might be willing to give up Byfield, but LA is certainly not.
10 mai à 15 h 30
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
Lol unfortunatley not, just bored at work. Why would you be against this?


Jack Eichel is who the team hopes QB becomes one day, and we'll be lucky if he hits that ceiling. He is exactly the Sabre that we're looking for.

Let me be clear, I DON'T THINK WE COULD PULL IT OFF, but to go Eichel-Kopitar-QB down the middle is elite. Even if it means giving up Kupari,Kempe,Turcotte+Pick++, that's instant relevance.

Reinhart @7for6 is worse than the Lucic contract we luckily avoided. Way too much to pay, especially when the team clearly needs to add at the defensive end (Matta failed experiment), instead of the front (all the prospect depth in the world).
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10 mai à 15 h 41
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Quoting: irgids
Jack Eichel is who the team hopes QB becomes one day, and we'll be lucky if he hits that ceiling. He is exactly the Sabre that we're looking for.

Let me be clear, I DON'T THINK WE COULD PULL IT OFF, but to go Eichel-Kopitar-QB down the middle is elite. Even if it means giving up Kupari,Kempe,Turcotte+Pick++, that's instant relevance.

Reinhart 7for6 is worse than the Lucic contract we luckily avoided. Way too much to pay, especially when the team clearly needs to add at the defensive end (Matta failed experiment), instead of the front (all the prospect depth in the world).


Fair points, and an understandable point of view even if I don't agree. The Kings center depth is already set to be elite with QB, Vilardi, Turcotte, and Kopitar. Yes, QB may or may not hit the same talent level that Eichal has hit in the past (before injuries, which caused a lost season). But trading for him with the pieces that you're talking about is getting rid of the support those three need on their wings or throughout the rest of the lineup.

I don't think Reinhart and Lucic can even be mentioned in the same conversation, unless you're talking about how their games are opposite. Lucic's contract that we avoided was a boat anchor because the style of game the NHL was trending to was passing him by. Reinhart has proven to be a consistent 20+ goal scorer that is directly in the age-range the Kings organization has stated they are looking to fill (25-27 years old to bridge the gap between the star vets and the up-and-coming prospects). On top of that, Reinhart would be significantly cheaper than Eichel, both now and in the long run.

As far as the defense vs forward spots, I agree there's a hole to be filled at 3LD. Maatta failed at 1LD and has become an okay-ish placeholder for that bottom pair. But I'm really liking what I see out of Toby and Mikey. It depends on what happens with the draft lottery this year, as I think the Kings would love to be able to get one of Power/Hughes/Edvinsson.
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10 mai à 15 h 43
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Quoting: irgids
Jack Eichel is who the team hopes QB becomes one day, and we'll be lucky if he hits that ceiling. He is exactly the Sabre that we're looking for.

Let me be clear, I DON'T THINK WE COULD PULL IT OFF, but to go Eichel-Kopitar-QB down the middle is elite. Even if it means giving up Kupari,Kempe,Turcotte+Pick++, that's instant relevance.

Reinhart 7for6 is worse than the Lucic contract we luckily avoided. Way too much to pay, especially when the team clearly needs to add at the defensive end (Matta failed experiment), instead of the front (all the prospect depth in the world).


I'm not sure why you think Maatta was a failure or an experiment. He was brought in for exactly two reasons:

1. To provide a veteran presence on the left side of the blueline so LA didn't have 3 LHD rookies in the lineup at the same time.
and
2. To satisfy the expansion draft exposure requirement so that LA wasn't forced to expose one of Walker or Roy to Seattle.

He has done both of those things. After the expansion draft he'll have served his purpose and will likely be traded or put on waivers.
10 mai à 16 h 10
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
But trading for him with the pieces that you're talking about is getting rid of the support those three need on their wings or throughout the rest of the lineup.


I don't agree with the point that centers need winger support. Good centers make their wingers; that's what makes them a good center.

I'm not a believer in Turcotte; that is my personal bias.

Point taken about Reinhart.
10 mai à 16 h 42
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Yeah, I completely agree with your point. I feel like with the KIngs center depth, Eichel is more of a want, rather than a need. The Kings already have Quinton Byfield, Turcotte, Kopitar, Vilardi, plus more center prospects in Akil Thomas and Rasmus Kupari. Although they probably won't become Eichel, they're still a really good group of centers. Honestly, if I were you guys, I'd try to get a good defenseman or a winger.
10 mai à 22 h 24
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
Lol unfortunatley not, just bored at work. Why would you be against this?


I tried to make a trade for reinhart yesterday and had no clue what to give up. I’d put him 1RW
 
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