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Drouin-Skinner

Créé par: Scabitant
Publié: 2 mai 2021 à 0 h 0
Plafond salarial: 81 500 000 $
Journées à la saison: 1/116 (1%)
Détermination du registraire central: Cette transaction a rempli les différents critères exigés par le registraire central de la LNH.

Logo de Sabres de BuffaloSabres de Buffalo

La transaction a eu lieu alors que la LTIR est utilisée
Allègement provenant de la liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR): 2 200 000 $
Portion de la LTIR utilisée avant la transaction: -2 999 210 $
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Skinner, JeffSabres de BuffaloLNH19%7 290 000 $111---0000--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Drouin, JonathanCanadiens de MontréalLTIR-5 500 000 $011---0000--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial5 199 210 $2642573812
Variation1 790 000 $-100000
Final6 989 210 $ (↑)25 (↓)42573812000

Logo de Canadiens de MontréalCanadiens de Montréal

La transaction a eu lieu alors que la LTIR est utilisée
Allègement provenant de la liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR): 9 250 000 $
Portion de la LTIR utilisée avant la transaction: 4 951 666 $
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Drouin, JonathanCanadiens de MontréalLTIR-5 500 000 $011---0000--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Skinner, JeffSabres de BuffaloLNH19%7 290 000 $111---0000--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial4 298 334 $2548693814
Variation-1 790 000 $100000
Final2 508 334 $ (↓)26 (↑)48693814000
2 mai 2021 à 0 h 2
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Are Buffalo and Skinner struggling enough that they could be tempted with an escape from that contract? A bit of salary retention to make the players basically even value for the remaining year's of Drouin's contract, then Montreal still has Skinner for 4 mores years, while Buffalo just has $1.8M cap hit instead.
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Sabres need to add two firsts.
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2 mai 2021 à 10 h 27
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Are Buffalo and Skinner struggling enough that they could be tempted with an escape from that contract? A bit of salary retention to make the players basically even value for the remaining year's of Drouin's contract, then Montreal still has Skinner for 4 mores years, while Buffalo just has $1.8M cap hit instead.


Is buffalo willing to? Uhhhhhhhhhh ya. I think they would retain 50% to do this. Legit think they need to add two first rounders minimum to get this deal done.
2 mai 2021 à 11 h 51
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Is buffalo willing to? Uhhhhhhhhhh ya. I think they would retain 50% to do this. Legit think they need to add two first rounders minimum to get this deal done.


They're definitely willing to move it, but they're not desperate enough to throw 2 first rounders in, esp for a guy like Drouin. I'd rather live with the contract of Skinner, keep the firsts and build with his anchor than take on another issue like Drouin. He won't help this franchise.
2 mai 2021 à 12 h 21
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They're definitely willing to move it, but they're not desperate enough to throw 2 first rounders in, esp for a guy like Drouin. I'd rather live with the contract of Skinner, keep the firsts and build with his anchor than take on another issue like Drouin. He won't help this franchise.


I absolutely agree that Buffalo shouldn’t be trading any assets just to save cap, but how on earth is Drouin an issue?
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Ignoring age and how good the players are, where on earth are the habs going to find that extra cap space?
2 mai 2021 à 12 h 29
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They're definitely willing to move it, but they're not desperate enough to throw 2 first rounders in, esp for a guy like Drouin. I'd rather live with the contract of Skinner, keep the firsts and build with his anchor than take on another issue like Drouin. He won't help this franchise.


Agreed. Buffalo shouldn’t pay what it would take to move skinner, but that doesn’t change what the cost is.
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2 mai 2021 à 15 h 47
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I absolutely agree that Buffalo shouldn’t be trading any assets just to save cap, but how on earth is Drouin an issue?


Drouin's compete level has been an issue through out his career. He's a player that you never know what you're going to get when he's on the ice. He has immense talent, but an attitude issue, and there are many games where he just floats around. Tampa knew what they had, and weren't afraid to move him, which says something about his character. He's underperforming to his contract (not in the way Skinner is, but still), and it seems he now has off ice issues as well.
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2 mai 2021 à 15 h 55
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Drouin's compete level has been an issue through out his career. He's a player that you never know what you're going to get when he's on the ice. He has immense talent, but an attitude issue, and there are many games where he just floats around. Tampa knew what they had, and weren't afraid to move him, which says something about his character. He's underperforming to his contract (not in the way Skinner is, but still), and it seems he now has off ice issues as well.


I have no idea what happened in Tampa, but you clearly haven’t been paying any attention to him in Montréal. He’s a really nice guy, and no one has ever had any problem with his attitude. He’s very soft-spoken, and has been a great teammate the entire time. He’s done nothing but be a great pro while having to deal with the endless amount of bullsh*t that the media and quote unquote “fans” pile on him.

On the ice he definitely does struggle a bit with confidence in his shot, and he should shoot the puck more, but no one’s ever called anyone a bad person because they’re not selfish.
2 mai 2021 à 17 h 26
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I have no idea what happened in Tampa, but you clearly haven’t been paying any attention to him in Montréal. He’s a really nice guy, and no one has ever had any problem with his attitude. He’s very soft-spoken, and has been a great teammate the entire time. He’s done nothing but be a great pro while having to deal with the endless amount of bullsh*t that the media and quote unquote “fans” pile on him.

On the ice he definitely does struggle a bit with confidence in his shot, and he should shoot the puck more, but no one’s ever called anyone a bad person because they’re not selfish.


No one said he's not a 'nice guy', i think people question his work ethic. in tampa he refused to report to their minor league affiliate, basically forcing a trade. As soon as he did I knew Montreal would end up wearing him. Probably the smartest move Bergevin ever made, not from a hockey standpoint, but for his personal career. Bought himself so much public relations credit by bringing in the hometown boy. His contract is not terrible, but he is inconsistent, and expectations are insane.

Skinner has a significantly longer track record, and they both have similar points per game over their career. Change of scenery and expectations would be good for both of them, I think.
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2 mai 2021 à 18 h 9
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I have no idea what happened in Tampa, but you clearly haven’t been paying any attention to him in Montréal. He’s a really nice guy, and no one has ever had any problem with his attitude. He’s very soft-spoken, and has been a great teammate the entire time. He’s done nothing but be a great pro while having to deal with the endless amount of bullsh*t that the media and quote unquote “fans” pile on him.

On the ice he definitely does struggle a bit with confidence in his shot, and he should shoot the puck more, but no one’s ever called anyone a bad person because they’re not selfish.


No offence, but since you're a Habs fan your viewpoint is a little biased. Not saying it's wrong, as I don't have first hand knowledge. but I'm just going off of what I have heard (and I do have contacts in NHL circles). He might be a nice guy, but as @Scabitant pointed out, his work ethic (and self appointed superstar attitude) makes him a risk, especially going to a team like Buffalo that needs quality players, both on and off the ice. that franchise needs a lot of fixing, and it definitely would not be a good idea to start it with a player like Drouin.
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Ignoring age and how good the players are, where on earth are the habs going to find that extra cap space?


you just dont resign tatar, no problem with the money.
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you just dont resign tatar, no problem with the money.


We already can’t re-sign Tatar as-is, so that doesn’t solve anything.
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We already can’t re-sign Tatar as-is, so that doesn’t solve anything.


I posted an armchair previously as well where this setup works for Montreal, at least as far as the salary cap is concerned. It was called 'Pas de Drouin'
2 mai 2021 à 22 h 33
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No offence, but since you're a Habs fan your viewpoint is a little biased. Not saying it's wrong, as I don't have first hand knowledge. but I'm just going off of what I have heard (and I do have contacts in NHL circles). He might be a nice guy, but as @Scabitant pointed out, his work ethic (and self appointed superstar attitude) makes him a risk, especially going to a team like Buffalo that needs quality players, both on and off the ice. that franchise needs a lot of fixing, and it definitely would not be a good idea to start it with a player like Drouin.


I don’t understand where the idea of a lack of worth ethic comes from. Just because he isn’t getting into the dirty areas like Gallagher doesn’t mean he isn’t trying his hardest. I guess someone could interpret Drouin’s skill set of being a playmaker above all else as lazy, but anyone who’s watched hockey for a decent amount of time knows that just because you aren’t overly physical or the fastest player on the ice doesn’t mean you’re not a hard worker.
2 mai 2021 à 22 h 37
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I posted an armchair previously as well where this setup works for Montreal, at least as far as the salary cap is concerned. It was called 'Pas de Drouin'


Danault & KK won’t be that cheap, and you’re looking at around $1.5 million (or more) in performance bonus overages going into the year where Suzuki & Romanov both need new deals. (With KK and Caufield up the year after)
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Refusing to report when assigned to a new role at your workplace doesn't come under work ethics for ya?

Then when the conditions are suitable enough for him to even show up, he is inconsistent.
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2 mai 2021 à 22 h 39
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Danault & KK won’t be that cheap, and you’re looking at around $1.5 million (or more) in performance bonus overages going into the year where Suzuki & Romanov both need new deals. (With KK and Caufield up the year after)


3.5M from Chiarot and 1.8M from Kulak should go a good way towards that, always room for future moves too. Would suck to let Chiarot go, but we have a lot invested in certain other defensive players haha

As for KK, he hasnt out produced Lehkonen or Armia really... you can get him on another shorter contract at a lowwer price still- but we shall see.
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2 mai 2021 à 23 h 0
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I don’t understand where the idea of a lack of worth ethic comes from. Just because he isn’t getting into the dirty areas like Gallagher doesn’t mean he isn’t trying his hardest. I guess someone could interpret Drouin’s skill set of being a playmaker above all else as lazy, but anyone who’s watched hockey for a decent amount of time knows that just because you aren’t overly physical or the fastest player on the ice doesn’t mean you’re not a hard worker.


One thing I've learned in life thanks to my ex wife is to never argue with a French Habs fan, cause they're always right. LOL

And anyone who watches hockey can see that he's not going 100% all of the time. It has nothing to do with being physical. He's not that player. It's all around effort.
3 mai 2021 à 9 h 21
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One thing I've learned in life thanks to my ex wife is to never argue with a French Habs fan, cause they're always right. LOL

And anyone who watches hockey can see that he's not going 100% all of the time. It has nothing to do with being physical. He's not that player. It's all around effort.


I’m not french, and I have no idea how that has anything to do with anything.
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3 mai 2021 à 11 h 24
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I’m not french, and I have no idea how that has anything to do with anything.


It was a joke LOL.
3 mai 2021 à 23 h 59
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With out picks sabres say sure, to add even a first rather keep skinner. Habs don't need him
 
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