No thats definitely not enough for Eichel

In any trade for a star, you rarely ever get an equal player back. You wont see a MacDavid for Matthews deal.

However, the Philly deal contains 3 players all the same age or younger than Eichel. None of them are an Eichel. But Koneckny is a 60+pt top 6 forward, Patrick is a 2nd overall choice who has his career back on track following migraines, has good size and overall game (even at current struggles is a quality 3rd line center, couturier lite), Myers is a big top 4 RD with wheels and hands.
Overall you're getting, even pessimistically: a 2RW, 3C, 2RD and a 1st, and cost about 4mil less.

Its a quality injection of TOP END YOUNG talent at 3 positions, with TK becoming probably their 3rd best forward, Myers their 3rd best dman at worst.

Its a pretty fair return and lets face it BUF needs to completely overhaul and teams are not fighting each other to give up quality for the staals, halls, okposo, skinners.

Buffalo has good youth. Im not saying I do it from either side, just that I think its a pretty close offer. (I think its bad move for PHI).

Overall I think youll never get a package of like for like or of equal value when it comes to a star player, Eichel could get moved for a boatload of prospects, like some of the proposed NYR deals, but prospects are "ifs", and BUF has a boatload of good prospects. If you can get youthful proven quality AND quantity (which is the Philly deal) you have to think about it. Especially if Eichel seemingly has one foot out of the door.

And the Ellis deal is pure over payment from PHI.

Last years number 1 pick in Foerster
a number 1 pick
blue chip 2nd round pick in Brink
emil Andrae, a rising mid level prospect
and a serviceable Ghost is a lot for a 29 yr old with injury history.

I really like Ellis, but dont think hes worth 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd, at their advanced stage of development.

In the past two seasons Konecny only has 14 fewer points than Eichel who has had 400 more minutes in which to score those points = Travis is a better scorer

The underlying numbers favour Konecny by a little bit as well as the context that helps shape the numbers

Seems fair to say Konecny is the better player

Then on top of that the offer adds a recent 2nd overall pick, a quality young D and a late 1st I mean... do people here just assess trades based on optics?

If anything it's way too much for Eichel

In the previous 2 seasons Eichel had 50 more points than Konecny so unless you are referring to this season where Eichel has missed the last 11 games you are pulling numbers put of your ass.

"Seems fair to say Konecny is the better player"
My god there is nothing worth discussing here

Stop trying to kid a kidder - Myers is a big guy who can't play NHL hockey I'll give you Brett Murray our big guy who can't play NHL hockey - Patrick is your high pick turned bust I'll give you Mittelstadt our high draft pick turned bust - Konecny is a small winger who has 21 pts this year Olofsson is our small winger who has 21 pts this year lets trade and just to make sure it's fair well send over out 3rd and 5th we got for Staal.

BAHAHAHAHA, this is the funniest thing I have read all day.

Flyers don’t have the center that Buffalo would need back. Nolan Patrick is horrible.

Eichel’s analytics are better than TK. Which analytics were you using?

Maybe not but claiming this trade is not enough is laughable.

You're right, I tried to make that point, but dont argue with them, their team is doing perfectly.

It’s the same thing with the Rangers. They don’t have the center. Plus Kakko isn’t good.

We don't need Eichel, without a bunch of other signings that trade doesn't make Philly a better team.

Imagine calling a 20 year old 2nd OA pick not good...YIKES!

I mean he’s not right now. You can’t trade Eichel for a player that has a 0.31 career PPG. He’s a fine defensive winger and that’s it.

I agree, this is not a good trade for Philly.

As I said earlier, BUF fans will want a superstar for their superstar, most trades dont work that way. If Im BUF I kiss Eichels ring and try to keep him interested while I build a team around him, (something the pegulas dont care about).

BUF is laden with solid, high end prospects and should be looking, if they have to move Eichel, at a deal like the Philly offer, using their top prospects and adding 3 players, all under 24 yrs old who are already successfully producing in top 6 or top 2 pairings.

Eichel has not played with the best players, but hes getting oodles of minutes: 5 and a half seasons, 375 games , 355 pts is about a 75 pt a season average.

TK, Patrick, Myers in less minutes, but with arguable better players have:

326 games, 206 pts, last 2 years a pro-rated 63 pts in TK
179 games, 68 pts in Patrick
and 6'4 RD Myers, 24 pts in 97 games and a mid round 1st and 2mil in cap space

Losing a 1C, but gaining a 2RW, a 3C, a 2RD (and dont tell me a defense of Dahlin-Risto, McCabe- Myers, Joki doesn't look long term good) all under 24 yrs old?

If Im Philly, I dont do it, if Im BUF I try and keep Eichel, but if I cant, I probably take that Philly offer.

He has played 93 NHL games! You also do understand that Eichel isn't even a point per game player right? If you want to discount all the other players constantly, then you must also discount Eichel.

Eichel’s first 93 games,
29-37-66 points. That’s not terrible at all. Lottery picks need to show some offense.

So I guess Seguin was trash when he only has 22 points in his first 74 games...

These are kids that need time to develop. You can't write a 20 year old off as trash.

Im saying Eichel is good, not Matthews or McDavid good, but compare the usual offers for Eichel, and this PHI one is probably the best for BUF.

For BUF fans to dismiss offhand and say not enough, I am wondering what a realistic counter offer is?

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This is a fair offer in my opinion.
Stephenson fills 1c spot until Cozens is ready.
Tuch good winger on a good contract.
Krebs. Good prospect.

While I can;t quite see the exact offer, Im not sold on Stephenson and Tuch as better than Patrick and Konecny. Id take myers and mid round 1st over Krebs though. And age wise, Phillys offer are younger.

This was nice to hear. Apparently they want a lot for Ekholm so I assumed I needed more for Ellis. Was not sure how much and tried to compensate for the fact that I am biased. Perfectly fine with overcompensation over undercompensation. I will say that Ghost was simply for cap reasons. That could've just as easily been a separate deal, although you might argue it's still too much

Idk if you're talking about in general or this specific set of moves I made, but this Philly team is better with the Ellis and Ullmark trades alone, let alone when you add Eichel. I'm also a fan of Allison,, Laczynski, Frost and York, I don't think they become elite, but should be solid

I see it as
Ellis > Myers
Eichel > Konecny
Ullmark > Elliott
Voracek > Allison
Frost > Patrick
Laczynski = Raffl
York > Ghost
Oleksiak > Gustafsson

Nice ideas, but you are getting close to gutting the system for two players. As far as Ellis, I think something like Tyson Foerster or Morgan Frost, 2021 PHI 1st (probably mid round), Ghost (who's playing well on both sides of the puck and isn;t too bad of a contract or risk), and either Emil Andrae or Eliot Desnoyers or LD Mason Millman. Thats 2 really good prospects, a good pick and a player (and still a bit of a overpay IMO). NASH would possibly want more, but its pretty fair.

Ellis is on a 6.25mil deal for 6 more years at 29 yrs old and has an injury history. Im just not sure hes worth TWICE as much in trade as a RD Savard or a Matt Dumba, or just waiting for UFA when 6.25 mil goes a long ways.