Add a first pick to Rangers

You are a comedian. No way the Preds trade Forsberg. We will trade Granlund, Ekholm, Johansen, Duchene.

I don't see that as enough for Forsberg at all. The starting point for him is going to be Amirov or Robertson without question or Nashville moves on. I also don't see the point in Toronto moving a very capable, versatile top 9 forward for a back up goalie. Georgiev hasn't proved anything except being inconsistent and Toronto likely isn't going to make a goaltending move unless its a clear upgrade on Andersen which there may be 10 goalies that fit that criteria, hardly any of them available. Speaking on Andersen, he's not on LTIR - he's on IR and the team doesn't get the cap relief of his contract so you're way over the cap in this situation.

Tbh TML will probably acquire Foligno, not Forsberg.

RyJo and Duchene aren’t contracts that can just be moved without serious retention. That being said the package for Forsberg is a joke. Make the prospects Sandin and Robertson and then it looks better

Georgiev is by no measure whatsoever worth a 1st round pick on his own, let alone adding a top 9 versatile forward. No team is giving up a 1st for a downgrade in net, especially when Campbell and Andersen are miles better. Sorry Rangers fans.

A 2nd and 3rd gets it done for me. Kerfoot isn’t needed on our roster so there’s no point in taking that salary back to make him a 4th liner

He is worth a first. Teams will offer a first. And Rangers should expect a first. At least. He is a starting goalie for next five years on most teams.

I completely agree. Kerfoot is useless to us other than helping the leafs with cap situation so it needs to be paid for. Geo doesn’t move for less than a 2nd and 3rd as we have 0 insensitive to move him.

If the Rangers have to take Kerfoot in the deal then YES, I'd say a 1st is a reasonable ask. Kerfoot would be a fourth line player blocking better guys, and he's got 2 full seasons with a $3.5M cap hit and $2M in cash bonuses on both remaining years. He's a NEGATIVE in this trade.

AT most, you're looking at what the Leafs gave up for Bernier a few years back. Georgiev is a young goalie with some starting potential, but he's at best proven he's a NHL backup in the league and nothing more. Andersen and Campbell are miles better so Toronto won't have any interest here. Remember that Toronto gave up a 2nd round pick, a C level prospect, and a backup replacement goalie for Bernier who was in the same situation as Georgiev - so that's your price comparison.

Georgiev:
14 games played
.900sv% at even strength
.886sv% on the penalty kill
.714sv% while team is on the power play
8.8 expected goals against
.833sv% in good scoring chances against situations
.556sv% in high danger scoring chances against

Andersen:
23 games played
.912sv% at even strength
.783sv% on the penalty kill
.882sv% while team is on the power play
816.7 expected goals against
.865sv% in good scoring chances against situations
.763sv% in high danger scoring chances against


Campbell:
5 games played
.966sv% at even strength
.938sv% on the penalty kill
.750sv% while team is on the power play
5.1 expected goals against
1.000sv% in good scoring chances against situations
1.000sv% in high danger scoring chances against


The only situation that Gerogiev has been better in is on the penalty kill than Andersen. Even the expected goals against may be higher for Andersen, but he's also played 9 games more so by the time Georgiev plays 23 games he's likely to be around a similar number. Other than that, Andersen is still the better goalie and he's been playing injured. & although it's been a small sample size, Campbell has proven to be much much better than Georgiev. So while I understand Rangers fans want the best possible return because Georgiev has "potential to be a starter", he just hasn't shown he's capable at the NHL level yet and a 1st round pick is out of the question.

The package from Toronto (not saying both teams would do it, I think Toronto doesn't have any interest in Georgiev) would be similar to:

Georgiev for Joey Anderson, Michael Hutchinson, Toronto 2nd round pick. (the main return is the prospect and the pick, the goalie is thrown in for positional and contracts reasons)

Anderson + Hutchinson + second = Andersen + first
Thus, like I said, Georgiev for Andersen/first

Toronto doesn't have to move Kerfoot, so he's not a negative value at all. They don't have to move a roster player for a 3rd string goalie, that's not what they're looking to address. Kerfoot's play is what determines he trade value, not where New York would play him in the lineup. If they view him as a 4th line player that's blocking other players, they wouldn't ask for him in the deal. Toronto's fine with that because again, a 3rd string goalie like Georgiev isn't needed. But Georgiev hasn't proved he's a starter in the league so he isn't worth a 1st, to any team.

You think Hutchinson and a 2nd is equal value to a 1st? .. okay, Toronto now offers you Hutchinson and a 2nd round pick for New York's 1st round pick. Great deal. Thanks!


... Georgiev doesn't get a 1st. Backup/AHL calibre goalie don't return 1st round picks in a trade.

Georgiev would be starter in Toronto. And yes, Leafs would jump at chance to move a first pick for him. No doubt.

Bro, stop being bias and look at the stats and facts. I literally just found them all for you and posted them right in front of you...

Georgiev isn't a starter and isn't better than Campbell or Andersen. I don't know how much clearer I can be. & it's not even bias on my end when I've literally spilled the stats right in front of your eyes.

Ya so I agree with all of this as I expressed earlier.. the fact of the matter is we have 0 interest in moving him for what he is worth. Just because a team offers his value doesn’t mean we are forced to accept it. In order for him to be moved it has to be an overpay.

You cherry picked a few random stats using a tiny little samples of games....said nothing about Andersen as pending UFA, Georgiev on team friendly contract with years left. And I'm the bias one.

Better sit this one out.

MY POINT is that if Toronto removes Kerfoot from the deal they'd get Georgiev for less. NYR have ZERO NEED for Kerfoot and, in the second flat cap year, that $3.5M would sign a MUCH MUCH better player. So, in this particular trade, Kerfoot is more of cap dump - making his value in the trade a NEGATIVE for NYR.

& I agree with the fact that New York would likely want an overpay, but what I'm saying is that it wouldn't be a 1st. If you're looking for an overpay for him, it's be a better prospect

"A few random stats" when I pointed out 6 stats that are all key stats for goalies? A "team friendly contract" that's 1 year longer and you're paying an AHL goalie almost $2.5M?

Man, bias to your favourite team is one thing. But when you can't even admit that you're just flat out wrong is another. The only thing I'm sitting out from is debating with someone that thinks they know it all, cause clearly you have it in your head that you can't be wrong when you are.

Take it easy bro.

I would accept 2 2nds or a 2nd and higher 3rd. I don’t expect a 1st. The 1st above is for us to take on a contract that is useless to us.

They could get Georgiev for less because he's not even worth Kerfoot. He's an AHL calibre goalie. As I said in an earlier comment, the trade comparable is Bernier to Toronto. A C+ level prospect, backup/AHL goalie replacement, and a 2nd round pick. You can't justify anymore for Georgiev at all.

tbh, you probably wouldn't get multiple picks. He just hasn't show that he can stop the puck consistently and he's overpaid at this point.

User name says Hockey Nerd, yet its pretty clear you are new to hockey analytics.

Also, you keep saying, "An AHL goalie". Why? (and whatever reasoning you use, be prepared to use the same on your own team)