I don't think BOS is in position to do that. They have nothing at forward. Even their top line is aging out and that's the only thing stopping them from being ANA.

Not sure Nashville takes a goalie prospect back if they take one in a Granlund deal

All summer I heard about how Pettersson was a stud 20+ min a night d-men. Now he's in ever other pens trade.

Also, Pettersson would have to be lights out to get protected in expansion. Would be very poor asset management if you lost him to Seattle.

Any move that makes the Bruins older and, or slower up front should not be done.

He's a solid number 4 type D man. Problem is the Penguins have a 21-year-old D man who is pretty similar, cheaper, and has higher upside. That along with a few other guys who can play LD.

And Boston is full of LHD, which is also why I don't understand when people keep trying to trade LHD to Boston. Full health Boston has...

Grz
Lauzon
Zboril
Vaak

^all capable of playing top 4

Then they have Tinordi, Moore who are both quality depth d-men. After them a few in the prospect pipeline...

Jack Ahcan - draws comps to Torey Krug, but Ahcan is better defensively. He's in his first pro year and has 7pt in 12gp and has been one of PRO best d-men.

Mason Lohrei - destroying the USHL with 47pts in 36 games. Currently Top 5 in all of USHL scoring and 14 points ahead of the next high scoring d-man in the league

Nick Wolff - Big physical 3rd pairing d-man that loves to punish opponents.

Because several Boston D men are injured (and the team is slipping in the standings) and guys like Tinordi are borderline NHL players. Can always move a defenseman later or have one taken in the expansion draft.

So Boston trades a guy whose capable of 20+ goals a year when their issue is secondary scoring? Meanwhile they add another LHD who will need to be protected and may not have a spot when the defense is healthy?

are you F kidding me?

or what, they lose Matheson, F out of here.

Im referring to the Bruins... Pettersson would have to be lights out for BOS to protect him. It would be poor asset management for the BRUINS to trade Debrusk for a player they most likely wouldn't protect. our entire conversation was talking about how its not a good move for BOS not PITT... relax man

Capable of 20 goals? Sure. But he's been a healthy scratch and only has two goals this year. Him not scoring is a big part of why the Bruins have secondary scoring issues. This is why he's on the trade block. Other trades need to be made to get that secondary scoring.

Teams are all going to lose someone decent (unless you are Buffalo or something). If you add a player worth protecting, that's a good thing. If you add a player that you don't want to keep around but is appealing enough to get taken in the expansion draft, then the other unreported players don't get taken. Boston should be focusing on maximizing their chance of winning now with aging core players. The expansion draft should be far from the focus. You can also deal players to other teams prior to the draft.

that isn't true either. BOS has 2 defensemen worth a damn thing in McAvoy and Carlo. It's not like Grzelcyk is some great defense man. Hell MP would probably be your 1LD the second he came in.

Ok so my point stands. Marcus pettersson would have to play his way into being protected over Gryz. Not sure if 2 points in 18 games with a more expensive and longer term deal guarantees you 1st line minutes and protection. Also if trading DeBrusk means you lose Gryz in expansion the B’s better be getting a better player than Pettersson. Like I said... not great asset management even if they do protect MP

Gryz would be a 3rd pairing guy on a team with a good defense. At least MP would be a 2nd pairing there.
Believe me they aren't losing much.

The reason BOS doesn't do this isn't the Dcore, it's the forward group, which really can't take losing a guy like DeBrusk. They have virtually nothing below the 1st line. He's the one really bright spot there.
So he's had a bad year, he's probably got injury issues. Guys don't drop off the cliff like that for no reason. He'll be fine next year. But BOS can't replace what he can bring. So there is no way they move him.

DeBrusk was scratched for one game lol. He also was forced to his off-wing this year (something he hadn't really played before) which has also been part of the problem.

Yes everyone is going to lose someone, but how dumb would Boston look trading DeBrusk for Pettersson and then Pettersson gets taken in the expansion draft? Boaton just traded a 20+ goal scorer for nothing.

I agree with your second statement. This team needs scoring. But the first point stands as well. Gryzelcyk is a really good transition d-man. He can work a PP. he’s definitely a top 4 guy on a lot of teams. When you watch him every game you understand it. If you’re going to lose him in expansion, you need to get a player in return who is clearly an upgrade and while Pettersson is bigger, younger he’s not a world beater. If he were such a solid D-man for PITT there would be no one mocking him to the Bruins. The crazy thing is, is that the original post you made said that the B’s needed offense and all i said was “also...” I agreed with what you said. All in all, if you lose DeBrusk and Grzelcyk and all you get is Pettersson... you screwed up. That’s my point.

Grzelcyk gets a lot of help from the top line. So lets not talk about him being some great offensive player, transition player whatever. He gets most of his starts in the 0Zone, he has a lot of help.
He is clearly not a 1LD, he can not come out on the ice in all phases. He sure as hell is not a "world beater." He's the worst of the 5 guys skating out on the ice for BOS on that top unit. Nothing special. Hell he's been playing top pairing for awhile now and he had less points last season than MP had.
As for acgm being a reason a guy isn't good, you must be kidding me. People post all kind of trash on here. Hell don't you know, they have been trading Malkin all year long.
What the team does says a whole lot more.
It's like saying BOS should trade Debrusk for some of the trash trades on here because there are ACGM. that isn't going to happen.
MP is a better player than Grzelcyk, He swallows the harder minutes. The in your own zone minutes. It's a lot easier to play in the other end and not look bad.
I just think it's kind off funny that you think Grzelcyk is some great offensive talent and MP isn't, when MP has scored more points than Grzelcyk career high his last 3 years. 25, 25, 22.
Grzelcyk career high last year 21. He's 27 years old. MP is only 24.

Ok. My point for the 100th time. If you lose Debrusk and Grzelcyk and all you get back is Pettersson you screwed up. Pettersson was playing on the third pair last night, he had 13:21 TOI, his last 5 games have been 16:17, 16:42, 15:19, 17:30. Lets not act like Pettersson is some top end minute eater. If youre trading Debrusk for a d-man (which i advise against) you have to be getting back a stud. Not a minimal if at all upgrade. Also this year points wise a little different huh? Gryz with 7 in 13, Pettersson with 2 in 19... But the main point is, Losing both DeBrusk and Gryz is not worth Pettersson. It just isn't, no matter how many times you try to convince me that Pettersson is worth it, he isnt.

MP for Debrusk is more than a fair trade value wise.
The rest of it doesn't matter.
MP plays 3rd pairing because when Dumo is in they shelter Matheson's role. Which is usually what you do with a 2nd pair guy.

It does matter. Every team has to take expansion into account. It doesn’t improve the Bruins in the present either. Also, good players get minutes... no matter if they’re sheltering whoever. He had a monster 13:44 tonight... if you blinked you would have no idea he was dressed. He’s not worth losing DeBrusk over to be honest, he’s definitely not worth losing DeBrusk and Gryz.

Also Pettersson is definitely a "hard minute eater" a "in your own zone minute guy" When he was the only d-man on Pitt not to have a second on the PK

no it doesn't matter because we are talking about the valuation of a player here not the rest of the BS.
It's already been stated losing Debrusk is not an option for BOS to bring in defense. Period. So I don't know why you keep trying to go back to that.
Here you are looking at the valuation of 2 players.
And the guy get's 60% of his starts in the Dzone, those are harder minutes. Period. I don't know why you're bothering to argue that. He has 31 minutes of PK time this year, dumo has 36, and Matheson has 2.5.
WTF you even trying to talk about?
We done.
I don't have time for people not attached to reality.

Not a second on the PK last night. 13:44, 0 on the PK is what I’m referring to. I agree, the bruins would never make this deal for about 15 different reasons. And this is a dumb conversation.