kind of does considering you are making assumptions about his play/ effort when i doubt you have ever watched him play before lol his xGF% is at a 60.04 whats the best player on the wilds? id say his effort is pretty solid

I'm not making any assumptions. That other Capitals fan explicitly told me that was his issue.

And off the top of my head? Eriksson Ek tops that number, so...

Zucker deal was a robbery. would you pay 1st + addison for him? i mean pittsburgh paid 15oa and a prospect for KAppy would you do that? i look at this deal as Capitals are willing to take less to free up cap space for the new Ovechkin deal. i dont want to trade Kuzy but logically he has the most value in the position that the Capitals have soild depth. its not adding up bc you are not trying to understand you are being closed minded about a player you hear "hot takes".Kuzy 2 way game has drastically improved since they dumped TR

so basing your opinion blindly off anther person.... he also said Kuzy is worth a massive haul.... why did you pick and chose what you think is important while ignoring the other parts?

Because the important part is that Guerin would not be interested in him, so it doesn't matter what he's worth.

You can have a really nice, expensive pair of shoes for sale, but if your customer doesn't want to buy shoes, he's not going to pay for the shoes, even if they're 20% off.

its important to understand you arent BG and that you are basing YOUR opinion off of other peoples opinion about a player you know very very little about. So to use your example if.... if there is a rare pair of shoes...lets say a shoe that is never available but just this one time you could get a shoe that would drastically change the direction of your life...maybe buy the shoe. like a shoe that carried a person to a cup and won it lmfao ... something thats never happened in a long long long time

You just described a Jack Eichel or Nathan MacKinnon shoe. You don't have that shoe in stock.

I'm also basing what I think Guerin's opinion would be here on what Guerin has said publicly, and his actions as the GM. And I'm basing my opinion on Kuznetsov off of all the information I have available to me, not just one person's opinion. Both are valid, both have merit. And the conclusion, combining them, is that your deal isn't realistic. And there are several reasons for that, and I've explained them all, and you're still trying very hard to convince me that I'm wrong, and you've done a very poor job of it.

I'm not going to ignore all the facts at my disposal just to pretend that your deal has any traction. So I'm going to take this opportunity to move on.

Dude look up Eric Staal, same story with trocheck, & it's the same with your player, Guerin doesn't want players who has characters problems.

Wild don't need/ have room for a character player/ problems like evegny

Guerin values hard work, cap stability, & non Character players like nick foligno

Look up how good Joel Eriksson Ek has been, & get back to me. Eriksson Ek has been in Alexander barkov category. This isn't coming from wild fan but reporters & stats people who wrote About him

Also evegny got suspended this year for not following covid protocol

What do you mean KK isn’t that young? He’s 23. LOL

I don't think anyone benefits from arguing whether Guerin is the GM who would give a mid-1st and an A prospect for Kuznetsov this offseason. Someone would.

I do have some doubts about which of the seven teams that are pencilling in Danault will end up being his preferred destination, but the Caps have won some games with Eller at 2C and Dowd at 3C. Pilon, McMichael, or Protas could be ready to play 4C next year so that might not be an offseason need for Washington.

I think the assertion that Jason Zucker is more valuable than Kuznetsov is pretty funny, and I'd love to hear the explanation. Start by talking about how cheap it is to get a center with a slightly better single-season point total than Jack Eichel and more 70 point seasons than Jack Eichel, please. If the Wild don't want him, that's fine. No one cares.

I don't think we have to argue about which team would give a mid-1st and an A prospect for Kuznetsov. I agree Guerin was a very consistent player, and has traded away some guys who had some up and down years. I also agree that some team somewhere would trade for Evgeni Kuznetsov in the offseason, after a bunch of contracts expire.

The part I'm questioning is how much cheaper Danault signs than Kuznetsov, given that about eight teams have pencilled him into their middle six "to save money." Could he get just 5M? Sure. He's kind of inconsistent, too. Or could he finish this year strong and get a Kevin Hayes deal, somewhere? Probably could, still. Similar skill-set.

As far as whether public knowledge of a player's struggles with addiction affect trade value, I think Damphousse was the most valuable player in the following trade, when it happened, followed by Fuhr and Anderson. Fuhr's publicly ballyhooed addiction issues neither ruined his trade value nor the rest of his career, as he went on to have at least one 40 win season, and break the record for games started:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-09-20-sp-2608-story.html

"The Edmonton Oilers traded two more of their Stanley Cup-era players, sending goaltender Grant Fuhr and forward Glenn Anderson to the Toronto Maple Leafs in a seven-player deal.

Forward Craig Berube was also traded to the Maple Leafs. In return, the Oilers receive forwards Vincent Damphousse and Scott Thornton, defenseman Luke Richardson and goaltender Peter Ing and undisclosed considerations."

The Edmonton Oilers traded two more of their Stanley Cup-era players, sending goaltender Grant Fuhr and forward Glenn Anderson to the Toronto Maple Leafs in a seven-player deal.

Forward Craig Berube was also traded to the Maple Leafs. In return, the Oilers receive forwards Vincent Damphousse and Scott Thornton, defenseman Luke Richardson and goaltender Peter Ing and undisclosed considerations.

“It’ll be a lot of fun,” Fuhr said, choking back tears “so I’ll be there (Toronto) tomorrow. In a way it’s a relief that it’s done.

“But on the other hand, it’s hard to say goodby. We had a lot of fun.”

Damphousse, 23, was the only Leaf to be named to the NHL all-star team last season. He has scored 118 goals and 211 assists for 329 points in 394 games.

Richardson, 22, is considered one of the league’s top young defensemen. The 6-foot-4, 210-pound player has accumulated 556 penalty minutes during his career.

Ing, also 22, played his first full year in the NHL last season. In 56 games, he had a 3.84 goals-against average.

At 20, Thornton was Toronto’s first choice in the 1989 entry draft and has played in only 33 NHL games.


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So, Toronto traded a 23 year old All Star forward for a goalie with publicized addiction struggles. The trade made their team better. The centerpiece of each side of the deal had a great career afterwards. Since then, the war on drugs has become an unpopular policy, and most provinces and states have voted to reduce enforcement of drug laws. On the other hand, I'm not sure where Minnesota stands on that, so that would be something for the Caps to look up if they really decide to make cap space by looking for a place to trade Kuznetsov. I'm pretty sure there's been public support for recreational drug use in the city where the GM who drafted Kuznetsov runs a team, but the cap would have to balance, short-term.

eta: the main point of this post isn't whether or not Minnesota is willing to part with Calen Addison to add an 84 point center who's had some ups and downs. The point of the post is that if Ovechkin wants a raise, under a flat cap, he's going to lose some good teammates. That means the team wins fewer games, opponents check Ovechkin more to try to hold onto leads, Ovechkin scores fewer goals, Ovechkin gets fewer trophy votes, Ovechkin gets fewer ad endorsements, and Ovechkin is less likely to get another championship or to break Gretzky's career goal scoring record. I think the point has been made. Arguing that the Caps are stuck with Kuznetsov this offseason is silly. They aren't. If Ovechkin wants Kuznetsov's cap space, he can have it, and Kuznetsov will be gone.

do you consider 23 young? i mean that 5 years after a player is typically drafted...hes by no means old but i wouldn't say hes young.... lol.

i love that they dont want guys with "character issues" and BG values " cap stability" but they Mojo BJUGSTAD FIALA RASK and ZUCCARELLO.... KK is scoring at a ppg with Rask at center and this kid thinks BG wontwant Kuzy bc of "character issues" lmfao

I do consider 23 young but I guess we just disagree!

At 23 most players are signed to long term deal or finishing bridge deals..? Right?

23 is young quit being a weirdo you’re still eligible for RFA at that age

Is auston Matthews young?

lol no hes been in the league for 5 years...

obviously but most guys at 23 are signing long term deals or bridge deals..... Even for team North America thats the oldest you can be to be on that roster lol. 23 isnt old its just not young....most people at the age of 23 have 3-4 years in the league.