I don’t hate this Forsberg offer even though I’d hate to lose him. I love the 2 first round picks but I do think a better prospect is needed

Not really I fan of the giving up Graves. I know is sounds crazy but if we are going to make a deep playoff run someone like Graves would be important.

What I mean is: His penalty killing is much improved and with Johnson out he is our best penalty killing defenseman. And everyone needs to kill penalties in the playoffs

I don't think Nashville will get many better offers than this. I did try to make it as fair as possible. Used the Stone & Hall trades as comparables.

Hall cost a first (18th OA) and conditional third, plus 3 players drafted in the first (30th OA), second and third rounds. Compher was a second rounder so take him as the conditional third pick as we already know his value. Beaucage is a third rounder, Kaut is a first rounder, The two firsts as they should theoretically be late ones cover the first round pick and the second round prospect. The Preds also aren't sending an extra player as the Devils did.

Stone cost Brannstrom, Lindberg & a second (First 15th OA [almost the same as Kaut in fact, 16th OA] & 2x seconds effectively) and the Sens also sent an extra player, so I'd say the offer easily beats this.

Admittedly it's a non-covid divisional rival so maybe the Preds look for more, and also admittedly Forsberg has one extra year on his contract.

Agreed, it would be a tough move to make. The other option would be to try Donskoi or, whilst I haven't done it here, at least wait until EJ is back. The other way to look at it is that all those D have to learn to kill penalties some time. No time like the present, and in fact with the injuries/covid issues we've had they already have been killing them!

How much did you look beyond this year because it looks like cap trouble for next year.

For sure the cap can make things interesting, and will need some creativity. It wasn't really a focus on this one, purely a case of seeing if a feasible trade could be made value-wise for Forsberg & Tierney. That said, on a brief overview if we're saying Donskoi is now most likely to be taken (or Graves still if I go with the idea I mentioned to Pond Duck of sending Donskoi for Tierney) then it's pretty much only a case of being unable to re-sign Saad, assuming no other moves are made (and boom! 2-0!).

Edit: Just done a year two and it's tight but do-able with a flat cap. Roster would only be 21 men though, and no Saad.

Stone and Hall were UFA’s at the time though and were due for big raises, Forsberg will still have another year at his current cap but — so it is a bit different in that sense.

Exactly as I said in the last sentence. However, in a flat cap era and IF Nashville are shopping him as rumoured that will have at least some negative effect on value so those two are probably still the best comparables. It's also worth taking into account Poile's track record not being the best. There are other elements that rightly or wrongly affect value as well. Hall was rated so highly partly due to the silverware in the form of a Hart Trophy. For me I'd rather have Forsberg than Hall but those that write for a living etc seem to rank Hall much higher. I'd expect his eventual cost if he's traded to be somewhere in between Stone & Hall's but closer to Hall's, so as I said in the response you quoted, I'd call that a pretty fair offer. Not saying it will happen (More than likely won't, though I'd love to be proven right lol), but to my mind it's pretty fair.

I wouldn’t say they are shopping him — all that came out is Josi, Ellis, and Rinne are the untouchables. While surprising, it doesn’t mean they’re shopping Forsberg.

If they trade him to COL, I think Newhook would need to be involved. Maybe Newhook, Timmons, 1st or something — maybe NSH retains a bit or needs to add something or maybe not. But I think that would interest NSH more than the late 1sts.

Admittedly, I'm not a big Graves fan and with Chabot and Brannstrom holding down the top 4 LD spots next season I'm pretty sure Ottawa can find a cheaper stop-gap until Sanderson steps in.
Even just extending Wolanin (RFA) for a year. Yeah, Ottawa will EASILY get a more useful offer for Tierney.

I really like Forsberg, but just re-signing Saad for nothing but a contract and keeping those firsts sounds a bit more desirable in terms of the future.

If you want a one year go for it move, Hall could probably be had for less than the above. He likely walks after the year, but it certainly helps for one run.

Agreed, and obviously to make this kind of move you're planning on keeping Forsberg around afterwards. I'd say he's a significant improvement over Saad and obviously once Saad walks Burakovsky would replace him back on the second line. That said, point taken on the assets.

Like I said, IF they are shopping him. Big IF. I doubt Newhook would be involved without a LOT of retention, but then as I said before I think the offer is already fair based on my supposition.

Having watched the Sens a fair few times now he'd easily be a top 4 D on the team as it stands. Even with his form not being as good as last year. Chabot sits in the massively over rated category for me. I can only presume in previous years where I've paid a lot less attention to them he must have been spectacular. Earlier in the year almost every Sens fan on here would have taken the trade. Some even suggested Donskoi for Tierney as the Sens need help scoring. That said, you may be right on them getting better offers for Tierney.

No team has allowed more goals than Ottawa this season, so suggesting Graves is good enough to CURRENTLY be on our second pairing isn't saying much. And Chabot is not overrated. He has been the SOLE, legit top 4 D man in Ottawa since Karlsson's departure and has been playing in front of subpar goaltending his entire NHL career - he's fighting a losing battle every night. But when we still had Stone and Hoffman he put up a 14g 55p season while playing with Demelo (who's a 3rd pairing D man in Winnipeg). If Chabot were on a half decent team or had a legit RHD partner, or was playing for a goalie that could manage a S% above .900 most nights he'd be a god.

As I said, can only go on what I've seen and I wouldn't pay him in washers on recent performance. If Vancouver can make him look that bad he has to be pretty horrid. I do appreciate he doesn't have much around him though. Even Bourque or Lidstrom would struggle to look great on the Sens at present (though I think we'd still see the class). I did also say top 4 and was being polite. I'll clarify it and say imho he'd be the best D on the Sens at the moment though again you could argue that wouldn't be hard. Could one say about Chabot when referencing those earlier seasons it was the luxury of playing with far better players made his stats over inflated? The really 'God-like' players tend to make others better around them rather than needing the others to make them better so I'd say any references to 'Gods' and Chabot in the same sentence should be reined in.

Sorry but, as someone who has watched every Ottawa game for years and years, your "massively over rated" comment felt wildly extreme, so I went the other way.
While the jury may still be out on what Chabot can do with an actual goalie and/or defensive partner/core to play with... any reference to over rated should be reined in.

Fair argument but I say it as I see it. Good to politely disagree and talk hockey though.