Virtanen has 1 goal and no assists this season and is a liability defensivly. He's worth vesey

a 3rd

Virtanen has got to be worth Engvall plus a second round pick.

I’d take jake in a heart beat maybe he could catch fire with Matthews and marner

Also has bounceback ability.


I personally am interested in neither Engvall or Vesey. I'd rater play the waiting game.

I agree Virtanen doesn't carry much value, but he's still young enough to pull off the McCann effect.

Engvall is at least useful to the leafs as he can PK and the leafs need that a lot more than a guy who makes twice as much as him who "might" bounce back into a 1 way scoring winger

Well, he's just that then - useful to the Leafs. Vancouver is not the Leafs.

You are neglecting to consider that Virtanen had 18 goals last year and appears to be largely the product of not seeing eye to eye with his coach. I can understand you not wanting him, but this is clearly a difference of lowering one person's value and boosting the others. There's not a chance Engvall carries more value than Virtanen.

I think the bigger issue with Virtanen is his style of play that he seems to refuse to play that made him successful last season. Virtanen's best when he uses his body to protect the puck and go get it, he just doesn't seem to be willing to do that anymore. Call it the coach or not, if a player doesn't play to his strengths no coach is gonna like him.

Personally it feels and seems like an attitude or an ego issue. VIrtanen saying "I'm gonna play my way whether it works or not". I'd throw a huge red flag up if any team was looking into him. It's kinda like Nylander who has the same issue but at least Nylander has the skill to put up points. For that reason I'd throw a 3rd round pick at Vancouver with conditions to make it a 2nd if Virtanen performs to a certain level. Otherwise I'd walk away. Could easily see Vancouver saying that's not enough and wanting to get more from a desperate team, but I don't see any contending teams jumping at him. Might be better suited for a bottom dwelling team where he can show his style of play and see what he has.

Virtanen is one of those players I want far from our team. Defensive liability, and is inconsistent with offence. In all honesty Vancouver really only had 1 guy toronto would want and thats Pearson.