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Créé par: R_Marrus

Équipe: 2020-21 Rangers de New York

Date de création initiale: 9 févr. 2021

Publié: 9 févr. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

The rangers have a lot of good pieces but are still far from contention. If you watch their games nowadays, they live and die by their top 6. This is a problem. Their bottom six is not committed to any given style of play which makes them extremely easy to play against.
Players like vatrano and bennett would be major upgrades as they play with far more grit and intensity than the players currently in those positions.
The idea with trading for ekholm is to get a solid 2way guy who can be an interim solution to some of our defensive struggles.
The reason I have strome scratched is I think we should trade him as his value is heavily reliant on playing with panarin and with the way that chytil was playing pre injury, strome could see himself relegated to our third line. A place where his value would plummet as his defensive shortcomings would become clear. (I do not know what teams might be interested so i didnt try simulating a trade)
The buchnevich trade is a tough one, he is a very good player and also one of my favorites, however, it does not make sense for the rangers to retain him beyond this year. He is on an expiring deal and will be looking to get paid. With wingers like panarin, kreider, laf, kakko, and eventually kravstov being able to play top 6 minutes, buch could be viewed as expendable.

Transactions

NSH

Hájek, Libor
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (NYR)

NYR

Vatrano, Frank
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (FLA)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (FLA)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (FLA)

Détails additionnels:

add in a 2022 third if he resigns. If he has over 60 points next season with the panthers then the 2022 third and second become a first.

FLA

Rachats de contrats

Kevin Shattenkirk: 6 083 333 $
Henrik Lundqvist: 5 500 000 $
Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
Ryan Spooner: 300 000 $
Brad Richards: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Anthony Deangelo: 2 000 000 $ (0%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
2023

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	81 500 000 $	79 515 633 $	0 $	10 362 500 $	1 984 367 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kreider, Chris 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AG NMC UFA - 7	Zibanejad, Mika 5 350 000 $5 350 000 $ C NMC UFA - 2	Lafrenière, Alexis 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) AG, AD RFA - 3
Panarin, Artemi 11 642 857 $11 642 857 $ AG NMC UFA - 6	Chytil, Filip 894 166 $894 166 $ (350 000 $$350K) C, AG UFA - 1	Kakko, Kaapo 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 650 000 $$3M) AD RFA - 2
Vatrano, Frank 2 533 333 $2 533 333 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Bennett, Sam 2 550 000 $2 550 000 $ C UFA - 1	Gauthier, Julien 863 333 $863 333 $ (300 000 $$300K) AD UFA - 1
Lemieux, Brendan 1 550 000 $1 550 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Blackwell, Colin 725 000 $725 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Rooney, Kevin 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Ekholm, Mattias 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Trouba, Jacob 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 6	Georgiev, Alexandar 2 425 000 $2 425 000 $ G UFA - 2
Lindgren, Ryan 925 000 $925 000 $ (212 500 $$212K) DG RFA - 1	Fox, Adam 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD UFA - 2	Shesterkin, Igor 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) G UFA - 1
Miller, K'Andre 925 000 $925 000 $ (300 000 $$300K) DG RFA - 3	Bitetto, Anthony 737 500 $737 500 $ DG UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Smith, Brendan 4 350 000 $4 350 000 $ DG/DD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1
Strome, Ryan 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AD, C UFA - 2
Johnson, Jack 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ DG UFA - 1
Di Giuseppe, Phillip 700 000 $700 000 $ AG UFA - 1

Équipe de réserve
Huska, Adam 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G UFA - 1
Richards, Justin 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (500 000 $$500K) C, AD UFA - 2
Newell, Patrick 792 500 $792 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (132 500 $$132K) C, AG UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Panarin, A.		Zibanejad, M.		Kreider, C.
	Fox, A.		Lafrenière, A.

Avantage numérique 2
Gauthier, J.		Chytil, F.		Kakko, K.
	Trouba, J.		Miller, K.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Bennett, S.	Vatrano, F.
	Ekholm, M.	Trouba, J.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Blackwell, C.	Rooney, K.
	Lindgren, R.	Fox, A.

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 35

Ragsandbluesfan

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Not nearly enough for ekholm

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9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 37

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There's no way Hájek should be the best piece in a package for Ekholm.

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 39

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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan

Not nearly enough for ekholm

was thinking they might blow everything up and not look for as much value. But definitely felt cheap looking back

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 40

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You'd have to use the Vatrano package to get Ekholm. Which, personally, I would absolutely do.

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 40

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Quoting: gmgb

There's no way Hájek should be the best piece in a package for Ekholm.

was thinking they might accept a cheaper offer because they could decide to blow everything up. but i guess it was definitely a cheaper offer

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 41

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Quoting: tormundgiantsbane

You'd have to use the Vatrano package to get Ekholm. Which, personally, I would absolutely do.

What if you added strome. do you think that could make the ekholm deal more acceptable

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 46

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Quoting: R_Marrus

was thinking they might accept a cheaper offer because they could decide to blow everything up. but i guess it was definitely a cheaper offer

Ekholm would be in high demand if NSH puts him up for trade. If anything, a bidding war could drive his price past more than he's worth.

Quoting: R_Marrus

What if you added strome. do you think that could make the ekholm deal more acceptable

That actually makes it worse for NSH. Strome's cap hit is too high for his production, and he doesn't fit in to a rebuild at all.

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 47

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Quoting: R_Marrus

What if you added strome. do you think that could make the ekholm deal more acceptable

Unfortunately I don't think so. Ekholm is a top 4 D and would probably be a 1D on the current Rangers team. I think it starts with Buchnevich, however I didn't realize he is a UFA next summer (2022)... in that case, I think it's probably best to stay away from Ekholm, especially since we are not ready to contend yet. We have guys like Miller and Lindgren already and Zach Jones and Matthew Robertson coming up soon. I think the left side is probably fine and he'd be a UFA by the time we are ready to seriously contend.

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 56

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so... we are trading 2 1sts and a roster player for buchnevich?? nty

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 57

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Quoting: gmgb

Ekholm would be in high demand if NSH puts him up for trade. If anything, a bidding war could drive his price past more than he's worth.

That actually makes it worse for NSH. Strome's cap hit is too high for his production, and he doesn't fit in to a rebuild at all.

fair

9 févr. 2021 à 12 h 58

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Quoting: VijayPatel11

so... we are trading 2 1sts and a roster player for buchnevich?? nty

2 firsts and a depth forward for a potential top line forward and a potential top 4 defenseman is a fair deal.

9 févr. 2021 à 13 h 7

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Quoting: R_Marrus

2 firsts and a depth forward for a potential top line forward and a potential top 4 defenseman is a fair deal.

Buchnevich is not a potential top line forward... he scored 46 points with Zibanejad and Panarin
Matthew Robertson could end up being a top 4 Dman, sure! But it's not guaranteed.
Vatrano is not a "depth forward," he can score goals while playing a gritty game and is useful for any team's 3rd line

9 févr. 2021 à 13 h 8

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Quoting: tormundgiantsbane

It is hard to explain, but I think that ekholms contract situation, style of play and leadership will help us reach actual contention much quicker. But unlike Trouba, we wont be committed to him for many seasons. He serves his duty in the next year and a half then heads elsewhere and is replaced by one of our many prospects. While the rangers have the skill that is necessary to contend in a season or 2, we do not have the maturity. Our third period collapses and the horror show that was the playoffs last year show that we still need to learn how to play in playoff style games. I think that Ekholm can both show the young guys how to approach these high intensity and physical moments. Additionally, I think his skill can put us in a place where we play in more of these high intensity games. Thus, when his contract expires, the still young roster will be well prepared for what hopefully will be numerous deep playoff runs and maybe a cup or 2.

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9 févr. 2021 à 13 h 14

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Quoting: VijayPatel11

he didnt play with panarin at all. He did play with zibanejad and kreider (this is still very good). He also missed some games due to injury, this injury came at a pretty terrible moment (it killed his momentum). He also put up these numbers while only getting minutes on a very sub par second pp unit. He has the offensive skill to be a top line forward. And I tried to compare this deal to the kapanen to pittsburgh deal. I may have been a little cheap but I think it is pretty close.

9 févr. 2021 à 13 h 15

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Quoting: R_Marrus

That's a good point, he could be instrumental in getting the core ready for contention, even if he's not around for the actual payoff. I guess I would be down then. Just depends what the return would have to be. If it's Buchnevich and Robertson, honestly I would probably do it. If they start asking for other futures like Krav, it's not happening for me haha.

9 févr. 2021 à 13 h 17

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Quoting: tormundgiantsbane

Agreed. I was originally looking at someone like Vince Dunn, but he is too valuable to only have him short term. Plus we have players who can take the role that he would (and that we would have to pay him to do). They just are not quite ready. I think that between his age and term and likely desire for a raise (ekholm), we could potentially get a very solid deal.

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9 févr. 2021 à 13 h 29

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I think that is not enough for Nashville to even return your call. As for Florida Buchnevich for Vatrano and a 3rd is much closer than this ridiculous package you put together.

9 févr. 2021 à 13 h 33

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Quoting: imawesome

I think that is not enough for Nashville to even return your call. As for Florida Buchnevich for Vatrano and a 3rd is much closer than this ridiculous package you put together.

I get that the deal i have above is not great. But I think that you are severely overlooking buchenvich's skill. He has incredible offensive iq and skill. I consider him more valuable (with the extension) than kapanen. Who got a first and numerous players. So my thought was first + for buch. and then by adding a very solid prospect like robertson, it could be close value. maybe drop the third round pick. But i dont think its as awful as you outline it to be.

9 févr. 2021 à 13 h 39

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Quoting: R_Marrus

Also with the ekholm deal, they will likely accept lower value because they will struggle to protect him in this summer's expansion draft. (they need to protect fabbro, ellis, and josi).

9 févr. 2021 à 13 h 45

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Quoting: R_Marrus

Maybe, but I think if you get a 1st you won't be getting a solid NHL player as well

9 févr. 2021 à 14 h 5

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Maybe, but I think if you get a 1st you won't be getting a solid NHL player as well

See the kapanen deal. Was kapanen (who I think is slightly less valuable than buchnevich) and 2 ahl guys for the 15th overall pick, a depth guy, an ahl guy, and a solid prospect.
So buch and a better prospect for two firsts and a third liner does not seem that awful. maybe it should be a first and a second. But it is still close

9 févr. 2021 à 14 h 24

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Quoting: R_Marrus

that deal went through because JR is a bad GM, not because kapanen is so valuable

9 févr. 2021 à 14 h 34

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Quoting: VijayPatel11

that deal went through because JR is a bad GM, not because kapanen is so valuable

Fair. But still you cant expect the rangers to trade a high end second liner who has shown that he can be a top line guy for a solid third liner and a third round pick. Gorton is not stupid

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