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My Top 10 LDs From 2010-2020

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Date de création initiale: 4 janv. 2021
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1. Keith (TWD 94)
2. Chara (DFD 94)
3. Hedman (TWD 93)
4. Josi (TWD, 92)
5. Giordano (TWD, 92)
6. Suter (TWD, 92)
7. OEL (OFD, 91)
8. Theodore (TWD, 91)
9. Rielly (OFD, 91)
10. Vlasic (DFD, 90)

Honourable Mentions:
Lidstrom (TWD, 97)
Muzzin (TWD, 89)
Hjalmarsson (DFD, 89)
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4 janv. 2021 à 18 h 42
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
yeah my brain turned off on that one LMAO. Slavin, Krug, Yandle were listed above, McDonagh comes to mind as well. Hjalmarsson played the left in Chicago, Flowler or Lindholm could make the list too

Bingo. Hampus lindholm. He should be above four of these guys.
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Pretty good!


Thanks!
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If you take into consideration the whole decade, guys like McDonagh, Jay Bouwmeester and even Andrei Markov on top of my head have done more than Theodore


Yeah those are all solid choices I guess.
4 janv. 2021 à 19 h 45
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I like it, Hedman should be first though imo. And Theodore is too young but that was already said so...


Yeah I can definitely see the argument for Hedman to be number 1.
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4 janv. 2021 à 19 h 50
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Quoting: Theozler
Theodore probably too young for the list, solid otherwise.


Quoting: imawesome
Theodore?


Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Theodore is the only stand out name that doesnt belong, 1 good season where you are extremely sheltered does not justify you as a top defenseman of the decade.


Thing with Theodore & Rielly is that they were only dominant from a play driving perspective from 2017. Probably not enough sample size to make this list but during those 3 seasons they ranked near the top of the league for LDs.
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4 janv. 2021 à 19 h 51
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Meh. A couple of these guys were really good for a window. I guess Vlasic did have a few really good years.

The guy that I’m really going to reject is Reilly. He had one awesome season. One.


Quoting: Onslaught77
Reilly has been amazing playing with players who had no business on the top line. The best partner Reilly has had was Ron Hainsey. Morgan Reilly has been an amazing D-man and put up with being the only top D on the team period. The only way Reilly legitimately doesn't make this list is if you think Dmen shouldn't have any defensive skills period and they are just relocated forwards. He's been a defensive D when needed an offensive risk-taking D and excelled at it and made both work and has done both at various times. Without Reilly, the Leafs wouldn't be winning any games period. The only decent defenseman they would have had at all would have been Muzzin.

In my opinion, the fact that the Leafs have managed to get the wins they have and the playoff appearances they have is entirely Reilly and Andersen aside from their ability to generate offence. Without Reilly and Andersen the Leafs would have shown Detroit how to really be the worst team despite having the offence they do. Reilly absolutely should be on this list. If you don't get that your insane bias or you just know nothing about hockey. The Leafs complete inability to find a decent RHD until recently is a bad joke and has been the vast majority of their problem.


IDK about omitting Rielly. Over the last 3 seasons, he led the league in shot attempts & scoring chances & individual high danger scoring chances generated per 60 amongst defencemen.
4 janv. 2021 à 19 h 54
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
IDK about omitting Rielly. Over the last 3 seasons, he led the league in shot attempts & scoring chances & individual high danger scoring chances generated per 60 amongst defencemen.


Oh cool but what about, you know, PLAYING HOCKEY
4 janv. 2021 à 19 h 58
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Oh cool but what about, you know, PLAYING HOCKEY


Isn’t the objective of the sport to generate the most quality scoring chances?
4 janv. 2021 à 19 h 59
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
Isn’t the objective of the sport to generate the most quality scoring chances?


Aw man. You got me. I remember a particularly tough loss when my team lost 7 scoring chances to 6 scoring chances.

Get the F outta here.
4 janv. 2021 à 20 h 1
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Aw man. You got me. I remember a particularly tough loss when my team lost 7 scoring chances to 6 scoring chances.

Get the F outta here.


If your team generates more scoring chances than the opposition, you’re likely to win.
4 janv. 2021 à 20 h 3
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Aw man. You got me. I remember a particularly tough loss when my team lost 7 scoring chances to 6 scoring chances.

Get the F outta here.


Wow you really have no idea how hockey works.
4 janv. 2021 à 20 h 4
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If your team generates more scoring chances than the opposition, you’re likely to win.


No. Thats the reason goalies get paid. You are more likely to win, but no. The objective of hockey isn’t to generate scoring chances. Thats the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
4 janv. 2021 à 20 h 32
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No. Thats the reason goalies get paid. You are more likely to win, but no. The objective of hockey isn’t to generate scoring chances. Thats the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.


I can’t speak on behalf of everyone but I’d just be satisfied if my team outchances the opposition.
4 janv. 2021 à 23 h 52
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I can’t speak on behalf of everyone but I’d just be satisfied if my team outchances the opposition.


Sure. I’d rather my team score more goals than the other team though. I think that’s more important
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Some names for consideration: Slavin, Krug, Yandle.


Yandle was the #1 scoring D over the decade, he should be considered over Theodore / Rielly for sure.
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5 janv. 2021 à 10 h 6
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IDK about omitting Rielly. Over the last 3 seasons, he led the league in shot attempts & scoring chances & individual high danger scoring chances generated per 60 amongst defencemen.


Well, if that's the criteria... you should consider Darnell Nurse. Over the past 3 years:

5v5 iCF (shot attempts)
Nurse: 944 (12.65/60)
Rielly: 852 (13.91/60)
Theodore: 839 (13.95/60)

5v5 iSCF (scoring chances)
Nurse: 258 (3.46/60)
Theodore: 248 (4.12/60)
Rielly: 207 (3.38/60)

5v5 iHDCF (high-danger chances)
Nurse: 53 (0.71/60)
Theodore: 31 (0.52/60)
Rielly: 20 (0.33/60)

On a per/60 basis, Nurse had more than twice as many iHDCF than Rielly did. He also beat Rielly in SCF/60. Theodore was better than both in iCF/60 and iSCF/60 and better than Rielly in all 3 categories, meaning your stats are far from accurate. BUT, none of them led the league in any of these 3 categories.

I'm kidding, of course. You shouldn't consider Nurse as one of the top-10 LHD from the past decade. I'm only illustrating how having Rielly and Theodore on your list makes no sense.
5 janv. 2021 à 11 h 16
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IDK about omitting Rielly. Over the last 3 seasons, he led the league in shot attempts & scoring chances & individual high danger scoring chances generated per 60 amongst defencemen.


So, out of curiosity, i wonder if you have an explanation for this:
Reilly did all that stuff, so why was he only a +6 last season? Why were more net goals scored for toronto when Cody ceci was on the ice? Why did say, Matt Grzelcyk, a player that many on here keep saying is a third pair d man, achieve a +15, while the vaunted Morgan Reilly, who does all these great scoring chances things, only got a +6. It’s worth noting that the same trend exists over the last three seasons. I’m curious as to what you think about that.
5 janv. 2021 à 14 h 55
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So, out of curiosity, i wonder if you have an explanation for this:
Reilly did all that stuff, so why was he only a +6 last season? Why were more net goals scored for toronto when Cody ceci was on the ice? Why did say, Matt Grzelcyk, a player that many on here keep saying is a third pair d man, achieve a +15, while the vaunted Morgan Reilly, who does all these great scoring chances things, only got a +6. It’s worth noting that the same trend exists over the last three seasons. I’m curious as to what you think about that.


Plus minus doesn’t take into account a player’s individual performance. For example, if your linemates are bad defensively or your goalie stinks, your team will give up a lot of goals.

Grezlcyk and Ceci had an on ice save percentage of 94 and 93 respectively, Rielly was 87.
5 janv. 2021 à 15 h 8
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Well, if that's the criteria... you should consider Darnell Nurse. Over the past 3 years:

5v5 iCF (shot attempts)
Nurse: 944 (12.65/60)
Rielly: 852 (13.91/60)
Theodore: 839 (13.95/60)

5v5 iSCF (scoring chances)
Nurse: 258 (3.46/60)
Theodore: 248 (4.12/60)
Rielly: 207 (3.38/60)

5v5 iHDCF (high-danger chances)
Nurse: 53 (0.71/60)
Theodore: 31 (0.52/60)
Rielly: 20 (0.33/60)

On a per/60 basis, Nurse had more than twice as many iHDCF than Rielly did. He also beat Rielly in SCF/60. Theodore was better than both in iCF/60 and iSCF/60 and better than Rielly in all 3 categories, meaning your stats are far from accurate. BUT, none of them led the league in any of these 3 categories.

I'm kidding, of course. You shouldn't consider Nurse as one of the top-10 LHD from the past decade. I'm only illustrating how having Rielly and Theodore on your list makes no sense.


Fair enough, it seems your stats suggest that Nurse and Theodore were both better offensively than Rielly over the past 3 seasons. But according to @lyle_bubas, Rielly led the league in GAR last season and many analytic users believe he deserved the Norris. So I still think he should make it.
5 janv. 2021 à 15 h 26
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Idk, Hedman was the better d-man over the decade imo. Just in terms of being the better d. Not in terms of accomplishments.


Hedman probably tops a list like 2015-2025. Keith better 2010-2020
 
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