Horrible for Dallas

Why would Dallas take on all Toronto’s bad contracts. Including Marner. And give them back a top prospect on a entry-level deal, and good young pieces for depth players and over-paid players? Maybe F.Andersen has some value at the trade deadline and his expiring contract. But not much now.

Dallas laughs at that offer

I don't think Dallas is moving on from Bishop, but I like the idea here.

What do you mean 'all Toronto's bad contracts'? They don't have any.

Lol. I know. 4 Players making 40M of a 81.5M salary cap is great. Even worse, 4 forwards, that 40M doesn’t even include a D or goalie.lol. Add in F.Andersen and Muzzin and they paying 51.6M for 4 forwards, 1 D, 1goalie. Add in the 1.2M they are retaining for Kessel still. That leaves only 28.7M for atleast 9 more forwards, 6 more D, and 1 more goalie.lol. Great plan. Hope they have some Entry level contracts coming up during Matthews/Tavaras/Marner window. Lol.

Haha. Having too many star players is a good problem to have, but you said "why would Dallas take on all of Toronto's bad contracts?", meaning the contracts they're getting in this trade are bad, which they aren't. You could argue that Marner is overpaid by about 1.5mil, but Engvall makes 1.25, Anderson makes 5mil for one more year and is likely underpaid, and Holl is a solid defender making 2mil. Don't understand how these are bad?
I'm not saying it's a good trade for Dallas, or that the Leafs don't have cap issues, but that is completely different from having bad contracts. The Isles is a good example. Ladd, Uncle Leo, etc. The Leafs simply have too many elite forwards in my opinion.

A 4th line, depth forward making 1.25M is a bad contract. Holl making 2M per year is a bad contract. And Marner is a bad contract.

Too much OVER-PAID star power. Crosby, Malkin Guentzel, Letang, Zucker, Jarry. Make 40.4 all together. Compared to Toronto’s Top 4 forwards, 1 D and 1 goalie making 51.6M. That’s over 10M per year difference. U want me to go through other teams?? It’s not a surplus of star power. It’s bad contracts. And Toronto got lucky Spezza, and Thornton took minimum dels. And u have 2 Russian players, that have never played a game in the NHL on cheap deals, in your starting line-up. And maybe even one in your 2nd D pairing. A contending team, having a player that never played an NHL game b4 In their 2nd D pairing. Good luck man. And they still can only put on a 20-21 man roster...maybe.lol. They can’t even put out a full 22-23 man roster. And they dumped A.Johnsson’s contract For Joey Anderson. Again, Good luck my man. Hope Robertson, Sandin, Liljegren can produce during those E-L contracts. I’m a leafs fan too, I hope it works out. Personally, I don’t see it though.

Another 1st round knock out. But leafs fans will always give them a pass and say how great they are!!

If you read through each team's depth chart and tally the salaries being paid to 4th line guys and mid-bottom pairing defensemen excluding ELCs, there's no way you could hold that same opinion. As for Marner, he takes up a smaller percentage of his team's cap than Crosby did when he signed his 'team friendly' 8.7aav deal. Again, you could say he's slightly overpaid, but not by much.

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Go add up any teams top 4 players contracts and come back to me with any teams that are within 10M of Toronto’s. But I guess Toronto just has a surplus of talent more than any other team. Not bad contracts.lol.

10 Million plus more man. Not 2M, not 4M. 10-20M more than any other NHL team for 4 players.

You want to know the teams that are close? 2 teams within 10M. Most of them are 12-20M difference b/ween their top 4 players and Toronto’s top 4. Not too mention top 4 forwards, top D and starting goalie.

TB. Has 2 Forwards, Kucherov(9.5M), Stamkos(8.5M), a D-man; Hedman (7.8M) and their goalie Vasilevskiy(9.5M). That’s still 4.7M less. And TB is in Salary cap hell right now. Over the cap and don’t even have a 20 person roster.

Washington capitals have Ovi(9.5M), J.Carlson(8M), Backstrom(9.2M), Kutnetsov(7.8M). That’s 5.5M less still and not 4 forwards. U want to add their 4 forwards, 1 D, and their starting goalie? That would be 41.7M compared to Toronto’s top 4 forwards, top D, and starting goalie at 51.6M. That’s a 10M difference.

Every other NHL team 10 Million plus less than Toronto. Again, not 2M, Not 4M, Not 6M...F-ing 10M. 4 players @ 2.5M a year difference plus.

Do the math, come back to me with any other team with 4 or 6 players in salary cap Hell as much as Toronto.?? I’ll wait.

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You are proving my point. All of your examples are great players on great teams, all of which are over the cap and likely need to make roster changes. I already said the Leafs have cap issues. But it isn't because of bad contracts. Further, if it weren't for the pandemic and the cap had gone up by 4mil this year, would we even be talking right now?
I'm literally agreeing that they will likely have to make moves to spread some of that cap space around, and that likely means moving Marner.
Would you say Stamkos' contract is bad because they can't sign Sergachev? Of course not. It is a problem that comes with having a lot of good players.
I'm not really interested in arguing, but my take is this: Good teams with a lot of good players are in cap trouble. This does not mean that they have bad contracts(see Okposo in BUF).
You can disagree all you want but you're wrong, and all I'm hearing is "LeAf TeAm BaD!" *yawn*

Dude, I know it’s long. But read it. TB is still 4.7M less than Toronto and Toronto has 4 forwards signed. TB has 2 forwards, 1 D, 1 goalie. And they are in Salary cap hell. They are over the cap, don’t even have a 20 man roster and can’t sign 2 young RFA’s at all. read the whole post. I promise u can. It’s not that hard. It proves nothing but Toronto has horrible contracts.

What are u even saying?? Can u read? It has nothing to do with my post?? You are making sh*t up. Just read the whole post man. I promise it’s not that hard.

Go add up any teams top 4 players contracts and come back to me with any teams that are within 10M of Toronto’s. But I guess Toronto just has a surplus of talent more than any other team. Not bad contracts.lol.

10 Million plus more man. Not 2M, not 4M. 10-20M more than any other NHL team for 4 players.

You want to know the teams that are close? 2 teams within 10M. Most of them are 12-20M difference b/ween their top 4 players and Toronto’s top 4. Not too mention top 4 forwards, top D and starting goalie.

TB. Has 2 Forwards, Kucherov(9.5M), Stamkos(8.5M), a D-man; Hedman (7.8M) and their goalie Vasilevskiy(9.5M). That’s still 4.7M less. And TB is in Salary cap hell right now. Over the cap and don’t even have a 20 person roster.

Washington capitals have Ovi(9.5M), J.Carlson(8M), Backstrom(9.2M), Kutnetsov(7.8M). That’s 5.5M less still and not 4 forwards. U want to add their 4 forwards, 1 D, and their starting goalie? That would be 41.7M compared to Toronto’s top 4 forwards, top D, and starting goalie at 51.6M. That’s a 10M difference.

Every other NHL team 10 Million plus less than Toronto. Again, not 2M, Not 4M, Not 6M...F-ing 10M. 4 players @ 2.5M a year difference plus.

Do the math, come back to me with any other team with 4 or 6 players in salary cap Hell as much as Toronto.?? I’ll wait.

Go add up any teams top 4 players contracts and come back to me with any teams that are within 10M of Toronto’s. But I guess Toronto just has a surplus of talent more than any other team. Not bad contracts.lol.

10 Million plus more man. Not 2M, not 4M. 10-20M more than any other NHL team for 4 players.

You want to know the teams that are close? 2 teams within 10M. Most of them are 12-20M difference b/ween their top 4 players and Toronto’s top 4. Not too mention top 4 forwards, top D and starting goalie.

TB. Has 2 Forwards, Kucherov(9.5M), Stamkos(8.5M), a D-man; Hedman (7.8M) and their goalie Vasilevskiy(9.5M). That’s still 4.7M less. And TB is in Salary cap hell right now. Over the cap and don’t even have a 20 person roster.

Washington capitals have Ovi(9.5M), J.Carlson(8M), Backstrom(9.2M), Kutnetsov(7.8M). That’s 5.5M less still and not 4 forwards. U want to add their 4 forwards, 1 D, and their starting goalie? That would be 41.7M compared to Toronto’s top 4 forwards, top D, and starting goalie at 51.6M. That’s a 10M difference.

Every other NHL team 10 Million plus less than Toronto. Again, not 2M, Not 4M, Not 6M...F-ing 10M. 4 players @ 2.5M a year difference plus.

Do the math, come back to me with any other team with 4 or 6 players in salary cap Hell as much as Toronto.?? I’ll wait

Dude, I know it’s long. But read it. TB is still 4.7M less than Toronto has 4 forwards signed. TB has 2 forwards, 1 D, 1 goalie. And they are in Salary cap hell. They are over the cap, don’t even have a 20 man roster and can’t sign 2 young RFA’s at all. read the whole post. I promise u can. It’s not that hard. It proves nothing but Toronto has horrible contracts.

What are u even saying?? Can u read? It has nothing to do with my post?? You are making sh*t up. Just read the whole post man. I promise it’s not that hard. I posted it and tagged u in it 2 more times.

Okay, I’m all ears. Explain how Tampa’s cap problems prove Toronto’s contracts are bad.

Go add up any teams top 4 players contracts and come back to me with any teams that are within 10M of Toronto’s. But I guess Toronto just has a surplus of talent more than any other team. Not bad contracts.lol.

10 Million plus more man. Not 2M, not 4M. 10-20M more than any other NHL team for 4 players.

You want to know the teams that are close? 2 teams within 10M. Most of them are 12-20M difference b/ween their top 4 players and Toronto’s top 4. Not too mention top 4 forwards, top D and starting goalie.

TB. Has 2 Forwards, Kucherov(9.5M), Stamkos(8.5M), a D-man; Hedman (7.8M) and their goalie Vasilevskiy(9.5M). That’s still 4.7M less. And TB is in Salary cap hell right now. Over the cap and don’t even have a 20 person roster.

Washington capitals have Ovi(9.5M), J.Carlson(8M), Backstrom(9.2M), Kutnetsov(7.8M). That’s 5.5M less still and not 4 forwards. U want to add their 4 forwards, 1 D, and their starting goalie? That would be 41.7M compared to Toronto’s top 4 forwards, top D, and starting goalie at 51.6M. That’s a 10M difference.

Every other NHL team 10 Million plus less than Toronto. Again, not 2M, Not 4M, Not 6M...F-ing 10M. 4 players @ 2.5M a year difference plus.

Do the math, come back to me with any other team with 4 or 6 players in salary cap Hell as much as Toronto.?? I’ll wait

Not sure how we are in as much cap trouble as TB or NYI... we have our star players under contract and a full roster. Are the Leafs as good as Tampa? Nope. Right now, no team is. Still doesn’t prove we have bad contracts.

Wow really.?? Is that really what u wrote? U really don’t get it at all?? Toronto has 4 forwards signed for 40.5M a year. Every other team is 10M or more less. Besides 2. And TB one is still 4.7M less and their top 4 contracts are 2 forwards, 1 D, 1 goalie. Dude, read the long post.

Wow, omg..really..haha. What r u talking about. Read the post man. Can u comprehend that u have 4 players signed for 10M-20M more than any other team.

But u are loaded with more talent than than any other team I guess? Lol. Not 4 over-Paid players and bad contracts

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Meh. Again, “Leaf team bad”. You’re boring me.

Still not sure how any of this is relevant to you saying Holl and Engvall for a total of 3.25mil is a bad thing 🤷🏻‍♂️

You can’t read or comprehend anything?? I didn’t know I was dealing someone mentally challenged.. what don’t u understand? Try this again?? Toronto is paying 4 players 40.5M a year. That’s 10-20M more than any other team. Not 2M, not 4M, not 6. But 10 plus. TB is 35.3M for 4 players. Still 4.7M less. And they don’t have 4 forwards as their top
4 salaries, they have 2 forwards, 1 D, and 1 goalie. I’m a leafs fan idiot. Did u not read that’s too?